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VanillaGorilla · 08-14-2013, 01:54 AM

Yep. Wolf and Hawke. This post has not been sponsored by Mohegan Sun, if there was any thought as to potential corporate corruption of the HOF process. Though with Pete Rose and Hal Chase on the committee, who knows?

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Lefty Wolf was selected in the 2nd rd (70th pick) by the Diamondbacks in the 2029 draft.

He enters the HOF as the career leader in ERA (2.61), Opp SLG (.294) and Opp OPS (.585).

He compiled a career record of 74-63 and was credited with 373 saves (5th) in 955 GP (12th), all in relief. Twice he led the league in saves, including a career high 44 in in 2041.

His most eye popping season was in 2046. He made 41 appearances and was 5-0 with 23 saves. His OOTP ERA for that season was 0.42. That gave him the most gaudy npa ERA+ I can recall ever seeing. 1081.

This brings us to the delay in the posting.

Note that I have not mentioned his career ERA+. I wil no longer post that figure, or the career OPS+ figure. They are calculated incorrectly.

It took an off the charts extreme season to make this coding error obvious.

OOTP gives him a 249 career ERA+. In order for that to be accurate, the lgERA for his career would have to be around 6.50. All of the in which seasons he pitched the lgERA was in the mid 4s.

His actual (npa) ERA+ is a 168.

I was bummed to discover this. This is a doable fix (in fact, a user claims to already have a fix that can be used). The powers that be have been made aware of this. I hope the correction will be included in the next patch.

Aside: The reason you don't see a figure other than a 0 for a player's season ERA+ or OPS+ is because if you use the method employed by OOTP for the career calculation and apply it to one season, it is clearly inaccurate. The calculation of individual seasons are accurate.

He left Arizona and joined the Orioles for the 2038 season and was their closer. He saved 22 games, had an OOTP ERA of 1.47 (npa ERA+ 295) and celebrated in October with a WS win. HOFers (and members of the greatest team in history) George Brett, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Randy Johnson were all on that team. Sweet.

In 2046, his 1081 npa ERA_ season, he was the stopper for the Tribe as he and HOF Wayne Gross, tasted WS victory, together.

Wolf struck put 1205 men and walked 372 in 943 career IP. He ranks 19th on the career K/9 list with a rate of 11.501.

He made his final ML appearance in 2048. He retired in 2050.

A 7 time All Star, Wolf enters the HOF at the age of 62.

Black Ink: 7
Gray Ink: 28
HOFm: 134.5
HOFs: 21

Gorilla Composite: 1.6

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Bill Hawke is a great example of the value of a Veterans Committee and why the notion of "if he's not a HOFer right away, he should never be a HOFer" lacks merit.

Hawke was the 27th overall selection in the 2009 draft by the Braves. He posted a career record of 173 (74th)-132 with an OOTP ERA of 3.18 (20th). When the HOF was established in 2034, his career did not compare to the likes of Toad Ramsey or Sandy Koufax. But now, 44 years after his retirement, his numbers have held up in the historical context of the league that has been established in the 40 years since the HOF was created.

There has been no radical alteration in the game environment of this league in its 70 year existence. It isn't like there was a dead ball era or a pitching era or a steroid era that makes for a degree of difficulty when comparing raw player stats.

Hawke enters the HOF 22nd on the career VORP list and 20th on the career WAR list. No eligible pitcher ranks higher that is not in the HOF. Considering he is the 34th pistcher to be inducted, it is a deserving honor for him to receive. Should he have been inducted right away because he struck out 3272 hitters (39th)? Well, there have been 49 pitchers here who have reached the 3000 strikeout level. There was no way to know how less important that milestone is in the context of this league compared to RL that it is.

No, he did not have a career comparable to Ramsey or Koufax, but no one who isn't named Johnson really hasn't, either.

He left the Braves for the Mets in 2016. He made a big splash in the Big Apple as he picked up the Cy Young Award by going 21-6 with a 2.50 OOTP ERA (npa ERA+ 167) striking out 332 men in 252 IP while walking only 56.

In 2024 he suffered a blown elbow and missed 13 months. His Mets won the WS that year, lead by Barry Bonds. He was there celebrating with his teammates.

Hawke won a GG and was named to 2 All Star teams. He enters the hall as the oldest player in history to do so at the age of 83 years 287 days.

Black Ink: 29
Gray Ink: 108
HOFm: 94.8
HOFs: 41

Gorilla Composite: 2.6

08-14-2013, 01:54 AM	#112
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 2073 Veterans Committee Selections: Wolf, Hawke Yep. Wolf and Hawke. This post has not been sponsored by Mohegan Sun, if there was any thought as to potential corporate corruption of the HOF process. Though with Pete Rose and Hal Chase on the committee, who knows? ------------------------------------- Lefty Wolf was selected in the 2nd rd (70th pick) by the Diamondbacks in the 2029 draft. He enters the HOF as the career leader in ERA (2.61), Opp SLG (.294) and Opp OPS (.585). He compiled a career record of 74-63 and was credited with 373 saves (5th) in 955 GP (12th), all in relief. Twice he led the league in saves, including a career high 44 in in 2041. His most eye popping season was in 2046. He made 41 appearances and was 5-0 with 23 saves. His OOTP ERA for that season was 0.42. That gave him the most gaudy npa ERA+ I can recall ever seeing. *1081*. This brings us to the delay in the posting. Note that I have not mentioned his career ERA+. I wil no longer post that figure, or the career OPS+ figure. They are calculated incorrectly. It took an off the charts extreme season to make this coding error obvious. OOTP gives him a 249 career ERA+. In order for that to be accurate, the lgERA for his career would have to be around 6.50. All of the in which seasons he pitched the lgERA was in the mid 4s. His actual (npa) ERA+ is a 168. I was bummed to discover this. This is a doable fix (in fact, a user claims to already have a fix that can be used). The powers that be have been made aware of this. I hope the correction will be included in the next patch. Aside: The reason you don't see a figure other than a 0 for a player's season ERA+ or OPS+ is because if you use the method employed by OOTP for the career calculation and apply it to one season, it is clearly inaccurate. The calculation of individual seasons are accurate. He left Arizona and joined the Orioles for the 2038 season and was their closer. He saved 22 games, had an OOTP ERA of 1.47 (npa ERA+ 295) and celebrated in October with a WS win. HOFers (and members of the greatest team in history) George Brett, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Randy Johnson were all on that team. Sweet. In 2046, his 1081 npa ERA_ season, he was the stopper for the Tribe as he and HOF Wayne Gross, tasted WS victory, together. Wolf struck put 1205 men and walked 372 in 943 career IP. He ranks 19th on the career K/9 list with a rate of 11.501. He made his final ML appearance in 2048. He retired in 2050. A 7 time All Star, Wolf enters the HOF at the age of 62. Black Ink: 7 Gray Ink: 28 HOFm: 134.5 HOFs: 21 Gorilla Composite: 1.6 --------------------------------------------- Bill Hawke is a great example of the value of a Veterans Committee and why the notion of "if he's not a HOFer right away, he should never be a HOFer" lacks merit. Hawke was the 27th overall selection in the 2009 draft by the Braves. He posted a career record of 173 (74th)-132 with an OOTP ERA of 3.18 (20th). When the HOF was established in 2034, his career did not compare to the likes of Toad Ramsey or Sandy Koufax. But now, 44 years after his retirement, his numbers have held up in the historical context of the league that has been established in the 40 years since the HOF was created. There has been no radical alteration in the game environment of this league in its 70 year existence. It isn't like there was a dead ball era or a pitching era or a steroid era that makes for a degree of difficulty when comparing raw player stats. Hawke enters the HOF 22nd on the career VORP list and 20th on the career WAR list. No eligible pitcher ranks higher that is not in the HOF. Considering he is the 34th pistcher to be inducted, it is a deserving honor for him to receive. Should he have been inducted right away because he struck out 3272 hitters (39th)? Well, there have been 49 pitchers here who have reached the 3000 strikeout level. There was no way to know how less important that milestone is in the context of this league compared to RL that it is. No, he did not have a career comparable to Ramsey or Koufax, but no one who isn't named Johnson really hasn't, either. He left the Braves for the Mets in 2016. He made a big splash in the Big Apple as he picked up the Cy Young Award by going 21-6 with a 2.50 OOTP ERA (npa ERA+ 167) striking out 332 men in 252 IP while walking only 56. In 2024 he suffered a blown elbow and missed 13 months. His Mets won the WS that year, lead by Barry Bonds. He was there celebrating with his teammates. Hawke won a GG and was named to 2 All Star teams. He enters the hall as the oldest player in history to do so at the age of 83 years 287 days. Black Ink: 29 Gray Ink: 108 HOFm: 94.8 HOFs: 41 Gorilla Composite: 2.6