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thehef · 06-27-2020, 06:15 AM

Did you start your game with the 1915 season or did you start earlier and then want to jump in with the Fed League in 1915?

Asking because I just created a test league starting with the 1915 season, and I don't find any of the example-issues you've described:

- Fred Beck (1B) is on Chicago
- Vern Duncan, Jack McCandless, and Guy Zinn (OF's) are all on Baltimore (Steve Evans is on Brooklyn, where he started the 1915 season)

If, however, you start prior to the 1915 season, then you're not going to see the historical rosters that you'd expect. Here's why:

- In order to be able to get the Federal League into OOTP, it was added when minor leagues were added, and therefore is treated as a minor league.
- Historical transactions do not (yet) apply to minor leagues in OOTP. They may apply to minor league players who eventually make the majors, but strictly speaking, minor league rosters are not directly affected by historical transactions.
- Therefore, once you get to 1914 and the Federal League is introduced, only players who made their professional debut in the Fed Lg will appear on the correct team (they will import into OOTP onto their correct team).
- At that point, the Fed Lg - as a "minor" league in OOTP - does not use historical transactions, so - other than players who imported to a Fed Lg team - Fed Lg rosters will be made up of players acquired via fictional transactions (free agent signings and - depending up on your settings - trades).
- So by the time you get to the Fed Lg's 2nd season - 1915 - the roster makeup is really going to be a scramble. Pretty much the only FL players you'd expect to see on historically-correct rosters would be ones who 1) imported into OOTP onto a FL team for the 1914 season, 2) remained on that same team (historically) for 1915, and 3) did not get (fictionally) released or traded in OOTP prior to the 1915 season.

Given all of that, if you started your sim with the 1914 season, you would expect to have somewhat similar-to-real-life FL rosters for the 1915 season, with some of the exceptions you noted. If, however, you started prior to 1914, by the time you get to 1915, your FL rosters won't look at all like they did in real life.

NOTE: There may be some details that I've misstated or misinterpreted. What OOTP does in regards to historical transactions, minor leagues, etc., can be a bit murky. Refer to Steve Evans above. In real life he moved - at some point during the season (the actual type of his transaction - trade, release & sign? - nor the date is known). OOTP uses 6/30/15 for the date of this transaction. However, in my test league that began with the 1915 season:

- Evans imported to FL's Brooklyn Terrapins, as he should, and remained with the team, playing in nearly all of their games
- On 6/30/15, he was no longer a member of Brooklyn and is instead a free agent. His History page does not say if he was released or what (I'm not sure if this is an OOTP "thing" or if it has to do with some setting I have that doesn't track all minor league happenings...)
- Despite the historical transactions file indicating that Evans is "obtained" by Baltimore from Brooklyn, this transaction does not happen because, as noted above, OOTP does not do historical transactions for minor leagues (and, again, the Fed Lg is a minor league in OOTP).

At any rate, the best way for you to accomplish replaying the 1915 Federal League season with accurate historical rosters is to begin your game with the 1915 season, where you will have very accurate opening FL rosters. Make sure you create this league with historical transactions enabled, and then look at the list of historical transactions that were loaded for 1915 (go to your MLB menu, select Transactions from the dropdown, and then select the Historical Transactions tab), and then note the Fed Lg transactions - or at least the important ones (to you) and make those manually as your season progresses. (You will need to use OOTP's in-game list of historical transactions; neither baseballreference nor retrosheet have complete-enough transactions for the FL.)

Someone else may have a better suggestion but that's the best I can come up with.

Good luck!

06-27-2020, 06:15 AM	#2
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	Did you start your game with the 1915 season or did you start earlier and then want to jump in with the Fed League in 1915? Asking because I just created a test league starting with the 1915 season, and I don't find any of the example-issues you've described: - Fred Beck (1B) is on Chicago - Vern Duncan, Jack McCandless, and Guy Zinn (OF's) are all on Baltimore (Steve Evans is on Brooklyn, where he started the 1915 season) If, however, you start prior to the 1915 season, then you're not going to see the historical rosters that you'd expect. Here's why: - In order to be able to get the Federal League into OOTP, it was added when minor leagues were added, and therefore is treated as a minor league. - Historical transactions do not (yet) apply to minor leagues in OOTP. They may apply to minor league players who eventually make the majors, but strictly speaking, minor league rosters are not directly affected by historical transactions. - Therefore, once you get to 1914 and the Federal League is introduced, only players who made their professional debut in the Fed Lg will appear on the correct team (they will import into OOTP onto their correct team). - At that point, the Fed Lg - as a "minor" league in OOTP - does not use historical transactions, so - other than players who imported to a Fed Lg team - Fed Lg rosters will be made up of players acquired via fictional transactions (free agent signings and - depending up on your settings - trades). - So by the time you get to the Fed Lg's 2nd season - 1915 - the roster makeup is really going to be a scramble. Pretty much the only FL players you'd expect to see on historically-correct rosters would be ones who 1) imported into OOTP onto a FL team for the 1914 season, 2) remained on that same team (historically) for 1915, and 3) did not get (fictionally) released or traded in OOTP prior to the 1915 season. Given all of that, if you started your sim with the 1914 season, you would expect to have somewhat similar-to-real-life FL rosters for the 1915 season, with some of the exceptions you noted. If, however, you started prior to 1914, by the time you get to 1915, your FL rosters won't look at all like they did in real life. NOTE: There may be some details that I've misstated or misinterpreted. What OOTP does in regards to historical transactions, minor leagues, etc., can be a bit murky. Refer to Steve Evans above. In real life he moved - at some point during the season (the actual type of his transaction - trade, release & sign? - nor the date is known). OOTP uses 6/30/15 for the date of this transaction. However, in my test league that began with the 1915 season: - Evans imported to FL's Brooklyn Terrapins, as he should, and remained with the team, playing in nearly all of their games - On 6/30/15, he was no longer a member of Brooklyn and is instead a free agent. His History page does not say if he was released or what (I'm not sure if this is an OOTP "thing" or if it has to do with some setting I have that doesn't track all minor league happenings...) - Despite the historical transactions file indicating that Evans is "obtained" by Baltimore from Brooklyn, this transaction does not happen because, as noted above, OOTP does not do historical transactions for minor leagues (and, again, the Fed Lg is a minor league in OOTP). At any rate, the best way for you to accomplish replaying the 1915 Federal League season with accurate historical rosters is to begin your game with the 1915 season, where you will have very accurate opening FL rosters. Make sure you create this league with historical transactions enabled, and then look at the list of historical transactions that were loaded for 1915 (go to your MLB menu, select Transactions from the dropdown, and then select the Historical Transactions tab), and then note the Fed Lg transactions - or at least the important ones (to you) and make those manually as your season progresses. (You will need to use OOTP's in-game list of historical transactions; neither baseballreference nor retrosheet have complete-enough transactions for the FL.) Someone else may have a better suggestion but that's the best I can come up with. Good luck! Last edited by thehef; 06-27-2020 at 06:16 AM.