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luckymann · 04-30-2022, 01:27 AM

As I'm sure LSt will readily attest, I've done as much "under the hood" work as anyone with NeL players.

The pitchers benefit from the same criteria that 19th century guys like Toad Ramsay - who just come into OOTP saves and almost always dominate - do.

Getting the mix right on pitchers is the most difficult part of the engine's responsibilities. You'd be amazed at how much each of the data inputs makes to their overall profile - pitch repertoires, first and foremost, but also how much difference even incremental changes to GB%, control and movement make. The era is another key factor.

I find that the raw stats struggle to properly convert into ratings for these guys, almost universally making them stronger than they should be. I've got a bunch of "second-tier" NeL pitchers in my Bucs save all outperforming to various degrees the level you might expect. Have a look at some of these guys, this is thru the 1932 season, with my having curated them using my own methodology.

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I have, as time has gone by, gotten better at figuring out their proper ratings, working with the engine rather than against it and just fine tuning to get things where I think they should be. But even now, they tend to come in slightly above where you might expect. Many come in with low stuff but high CONT / MOV. Here are a couple profiles from my Eclipse League save set in the late 1960s, now in 1971, again curated by me. None of the "big" pitching names have entered as yet.

Compare them to CC Sabathia and Juan Marichal, the two leaders in career pWAR in that save.

You'll notice that, despite the low STU they are still OK on the K9 rates, roughly between 3 and 5 - the high MOV comes into play here to make up somewhat for the low STU - and do pretty well without being overly dominant.

But, as the game relies purely on stats to generate the ratings and, with those stats not having been sourced correctly, the default will see them outperform more often than not. Then again, as someone pointed out, how are we to really now what they would have done as MLBers?

04-30-2022, 01:27 AM	#19
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,352	As I'm sure LSt will readily attest, I've done as much "under the hood" work as anyone with NeL players. The pitchers benefit from the same criteria that 19th century guys like Toad Ramsay - who just come into OOTP saves and almost always dominate - do. Getting the mix right on pitchers is the most difficult part of the engine's responsibilities. You'd be amazed at how much each of the data inputs makes to their overall profile - pitch repertoires, first and foremost, but also how much difference even incremental changes to GB%, control and movement make. The era is another key factor. I find that the raw stats struggle to properly convert into ratings for these guys, almost universally making them stronger than they should be. I've got a bunch of "second-tier" NeL pitchers in my Bucs save all outperforming to various degrees the level you might expect. Have a look at some of these guys, this is thru the 1932 season, with my having curated them using my own methodology. Active Retired I have, as time has gone by, gotten better at figuring out their proper ratings, working with the engine rather than against it and just fine tuning to get things where I think they should be. But even now, they tend to come in slightly above where you might expect. Many come in with low stuff but high CONT / MOV. Here are a couple profiles from my Eclipse League save set in the late 1960s, now in 1971, again curated by me. None of the "big" pitching names have entered as yet. Compare them to CC Sabathia and Juan Marichal, the two leaders in career pWAR in that save. You'll notice that, despite the low STU they are still OK on the K9 rates, roughly between 3 and 5 - the high MOV comes into play here to make up somewhat for the low STU - and do pretty well without being overly dominant. But, as the game relies purely on stats to generate the ratings and, with those stats not having been sourced correctly, the default will see them outperform more often than not. Then again, as someone pointed out, how are we to really now what they would have done as MLBers? __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA