Predetermined outcomes?

ForeverRoyalKC · 05-04-2016, 12:14 PM

This is a question that comes from my frustration with The Show games. As popular as The Show is, I know that there have been A LOT of people frustrated also with games seeming to be predetermined. Having big leads and, all of a sudden, their team turns into the Bad News Bears and they lose the game or going into unexplainable losing streaks. Like the AI says "Ok, enough! You had your moment."
Is there any complaints or comments of OOTP being like that?? I havent seen any since I have been on here myself. But thought I would ask because that was one thing that made me want to throw hammers thru windows!

CD360 · 05-04-2016, 12:28 PM

I don't think so. Ootp has a better sim engine than they do so they don't need to artificially change how your team plays. The new win probability charts show this well. As you get results the chances of you winning go up (like it should). There are always gonna be games where you blow a 10-2 lead in the ninth but it's because of the results not the game artificially balencing the odds.

ForeverRoyalKC · 05-04-2016, 12:30 PM

Yeah CD, games will be blown and leads lost, but, man.....sometimes it was almost like the Show AI was baiting you. "Yeah, that was a good run. But time to bring you back to earth now!"

Bobble · 05-04-2016, 01:07 PM

I think most of us veterans around here are very confident that there's no comeback-code or pre-scripted outcomes.

battists · 05-04-2016, 01:34 PM

I think the only thing that is predetermined is that my teams will suck.

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Padreman · 05-04-2016, 01:51 PM

The only thing that's pre-determined is I know every single year they'll be somebody that will come in here and accuse the game of being predetermined

Bluenoser · 05-04-2016, 01:57 PM

There have been plenty of those accusations over the years, all unfounded. Markus has clearly stated that is not the case with OOTP.

David Watts · 05-04-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

The only thing that's pre-determined is I know every single year they'll be somebody that will come in here and accuse the game of being predetermined

I'll Toast to that

Matt Arnold · 05-04-2016, 03:58 PM

As I always say, it would take a lot more work to "script" the games than to just let the natural course play out.

Antonin · 05-04-2016, 06:30 PM

For what it's worth, I've never felt that outcomes in my OOTP games were predetermined, and I began playing back when the retail version was called Season Ticket Baseball. Perhaps others have had a different experience and feel certain that the game AI has an advantage. But I don't feel that way.

That, I think, is one of the major strengths of OOTP. I win, I lose, sometimes my strategies work, sometimes not. Sometimes my relief pitcher will save the day, sometimes not. To me, this game "feels like baseball"--sometimes frustrating, sometimes amazing, but always fun. I have never had the feeling that the AI had an advantage. Unlike a certain soccer management sim...

swoboda · 05-04-2016, 06:50 PM

Predetermined ?

"No way......no way"

Rizon · 05-04-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

Predetermined ?

"No way......no way"

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!

Airdrop01 · 05-04-2016, 07:25 PM

I used to always think Brian Andersen starts on getaway day were guaranteed Royal losses. My buddy and I tracked them one year and we would have made serious jack in Vegas on that one theory.

So, LOL, it seems if there aren't predetermined losses maybe there should be to reflect reality! Ha!

Assos · 05-04-2016, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

I think the only thing that is predetermined is that my teams will suck.

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So 17 is broken for you as it was for 16, 15, 14, et al.

The Wolf · 05-04-2016, 07:40 PM

The Wolf · 05-04-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

The only thing that's pre-determined is I know every single year they'll be somebody that will come in here and accuse the game of being predetermined

I keep waiting for the year when everyone knows better than that. I thought it was this year, but noooooooo.....

Assos · 05-04-2016, 07:44 PM

Almost a month, a new record?

battists · 05-04-2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

To be fair guys, OP did NOT complain about it. He was just asking if anyone had complained about it in the past. So let's not throw shade at him.

battists · 05-04-2016, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Assos

So 17 is broken for you as it was for 16, 15, 14, et al.

Yep. I wrote the manual and I still suck at this.

The Wolf · 05-04-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

To be fair guys, OP did NOT complain about it. He was just asking if anyone had complained about it in the past. So let's not throw shade at him.

In a more perfect world he would have told his friends "No way!" and not brought it up here again.

05-04-2016, 12:14 PM	#1
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,209	Predetermined outcomes? This is a question that comes from my frustration with The Show games. As popular as The Show is, I know that there have been A LOT of people frustrated also with games seeming to be predetermined. Having big leads and, all of a sudden, their team turns into the Bad News Bears and they lose the game or going into unexplainable losing streaks. Like the AI says "Ok, enough! You had your moment." Is there any complaints or comments of OOTP being like that?? I havent seen any since I have been on here myself. But thought I would ask because that was one thing that made me want to throw hammers thru windows!

05-04-2016, 01:07 PM	#4
Bobble Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: High and outside Posts: 3,899	I think most of us veterans around here are very confident that there's no comeback-code or pre-scripted outcomes. __________________

05-04-2016, 01:34 PM	#5
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	I think the only thing that is predetermined is that my teams will suck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

05-04-2016, 01:51 PM	#6
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	The only thing that's pre-determined is I know every single year they'll be somebody that will come in here and accuse the game of being predetermined __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

05-04-2016, 06:30 PM	#10
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,537	For what it's worth, I've never felt that outcomes in my OOTP games were predetermined, and I began playing back when the retail version was called Season Ticket Baseball. Perhaps others have had a different experience and feel certain that the game AI has an advantage. But I don't feel that way. That, I think, is one of the major strengths of OOTP. I win, I lose, sometimes my strategies work, sometimes not. Sometimes my relief pitcher will save the day, sometimes not. To me, this game "feels like baseball"--sometimes frustrating, sometimes amazing, but always fun. I have never had the feeling that the AI had an advantage. Unlike a certain soccer management sim... __________________ "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols), San Francisco, 14 January 1978 Last edited by Antonin; 05-04-2016 at 06:32 PM.

05-04-2016, 12:28 PM	#2
CD360 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 72	I don't think so. Ootp has a better sim engine than they do so they don't need to artificially change how your team plays. The new win probability charts show this well. As you get results the chances of you winning go up (like it should). There are always gonna be games where you blow a 10-2 lead in the ninth but it's because of the results not the game artificially balencing the odds.

05-04-2016, 12:30 PM	#3
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,209	Yeah CD, games will be blown and leads lost, but, man.....sometimes it was almost like the Show AI was baiting you. "Yeah, that was a good run. But time to bring you back to earth now!"

05-04-2016, 01:57 PM	#7
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,211	There have been plenty of those accusations over the years, all unfounded. Markus has clearly stated that is not the case with OOTP.

05-04-2016, 03:58 PM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,848	As I always say, it would take a lot more work to "script" the games than to just let the natural course play out.

05-04-2016, 06:50 PM	#11
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Predetermined ? "No way......no way" __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

05-04-2016, 07:25 PM	#13
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I used to always think Brian Andersen starts on getaway day were guaranteed Royal losses. My buddy and I tracked them one year and we would have made serious jack in Vegas on that one theory. So, LOL, it seems if there aren't predetermined losses maybe there should be to reflect reality! Ha!

05-04-2016, 07:44 PM	#17
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	Almost a month, a new record?