A poll about women's / mixed leagues

[Chicagofan76]

Jmm I didnt mention NHL , because I had thought there have been 2 female goalies....so how much I know about Hockey. I am a casual fan. I watch the Hawks and the Cup and thats it.

I found this on Yahoo answers.

Manon Rheaume played one exhibition game with the Tampa Bay Lightning vs the St. Louis blues in 1992. She played one period allowing 2 goals on 9 shots.(got that from a hockey card)

Hayley Wickenheiser who is clearly the best female hockey player out there played for HC Salamat in Finland, playing 23 games with 2 goals and 10 assists. (stolew that from a hockey card as well)She was going to play in Italy but they decided she wasn’t allowed to play in the men’s leagues. She turned down an offer to play with the Cincinnati Cyclones of the ECHL due to a prior commitment to the national team I believe(don’t quote me on that one) and she was invited to the Philadelphia Flyers rookie try-out camp. I don’t remember what year and I don’t know if she went.

[jmm8356]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

Jmm I didnt mention NHL , because I had thought there have been 2 female goalies....so how much I know about Hockey. I am a casual fan. I watch the Hawks and the Cup and thats it.

I found this on Yahoo answers.

Manon Rheaume played one exhibition game with the Tampa Bay Lightning vs the St. Louis blues in 1992. She played one period allowing 2 goals on 9 shots.(got that from a hockey card)

Hayley Wickenheiser who is clearly the best female hockey player out there played for HC Salamat in Finland, playing 23 games with 2 goals and 10 assists. (stolew that from a hockey card as well)She was going to play in Italy but they decided she wasn’t allowed to play in the men’s leagues. She turned down an offer to play with the Cincinnati Cyclones of the ECHL due to a prior commitment to the national team I believe(don’t quote me on that one) and she was invited to the Philadelphia Flyers rookie try-out camp. I don’t remember what year and I don’t know if she went.

That first one sounds familiar... though I wasn't a big Sabres fan at the time. (They weren't on cable like the Cubbies were...)

Never heard of the second... but I'm 99.9% sure there has not been a female player in a regulation or playoff NHL game.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by jmm8356

That first one sounds familiar... though I wasn't a big Sabres fan at the time. (They weren't on cable like the Cubbies were...)

Never heard of the second... but I'm 99.9% sure there has not been a female player in a regulation or playoff NHL game.

See i was under the impression that there had been, but i see i am wrong now...I am trying to get back into hockey like I did from 90-95, but I wasnt as big of a football fan back then. and then until the past few yrs, Vic Wertz took the Hawks off TV completely here in Chicago. I was really happy to see the Hawks go 7 vs Vancouver this yr.

[Athletics17]

At this point the poll is nearly 50-50. There are obviously people that would be interested in the idea.the poll speaks for itself.

Thanks cryo.

[Reggie]

The thing I love most about this game is my ability to tweak it and set it up exactly how I like it. Sometimes I spend more time changing things than I do playing it. I'm not sure how adding yet another feature I could turn on or off would be a negative?

[shawa666]

Originally Posted by jmm8356

C'mon man... are you sore that he didn't mention the other supposedly major sport?

Go Leafs Go! Mwhahaha!

I shouldn't talk, being a Sabres fan... tag line "We ain't never won nothing!"

But to answer the question... depends on the country, and the party...

that reminds me, isn't there a Canadian election soon? ... Don't answer that. I'll check the Globe & Mail website... or something.

That was 2 weeks ago.

On the general subject of getting women and women's leagues or mixed leagues, I'm all for it. If Markus makes the game more flexible without breaking it, the more people wil notice.

[PSUColonel]

Women are allowed on the golf course here after 2 PM here...and now they get their own OOTP? I don't think so. LOL

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by stevebydac

I'd argue that your post is another perfect example of why our board gets a bad name, and why it has trouble growing its membership.

And I'd argue that what you wrote right there is why our board gets a bad name: ordinary people like you trying to act like a mod. You disagree with my post? Fine, then say so. Taking a dump like that on it, though, is ridiculous. Me disagreeing with Cry will stop people from coming here? OMG, buy a clue.

Originally Posted by stevebydac

Prospective members scan our forum, and then see a disrespectful/closeminded post such as those typically posted by you and a handful of others here, and then they shy away from joining so as to not suffer the abuse.

Only in your dreams. Nor was that post closeminded or disrespectful. I know how to be disrespectful and that sure wasn't it, and your labeling of my point of view as "closeminded" is presumptuous and improper. We disagree; leave it at that. As for abuse, I have never abused Cry and don't intend to ever start BUT I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TELL HIM WHEN HE HAS POSTED A BAD IDEA. He has the same right regarding the ideas I post. That's how it works. There's no insult or abuse involved.

Originally Posted by stevebydac

If you disagree with someone, POLITELY state a case. Or just stay out of the thread.

Who made you a mod? As long as any of us here follow the posted rules, we have every right to post here, whether you approve of the content of what we post or not. Plus where do you get off telling anyone to do X or stay out of a thread?

And if I was visiting a board and saw someone like you labelling opposition to an idea as "disrespectful/closeminded" and telling the poster to do things their way or stay out of the thread then THAT would be what would make me not to want to join.

[The Wolf]

This game needs a thousand things added to it, and women are none of them. OOTP is - at least supposedly - a baseball simulation. It is not a science fiction game, and I oppose any and all efforts to try to make it into one.

[kehowey]

I voted "yes". I currently have an all male Finnish league. I am also working on a new all female league closely patterned after the National Pro Fastpitch (NPF) league. NPF is women's professional softball. There's 4 teams of about 20 players. I also have the same 4 teams but only use 16 players. I use only 3 starting pitchers and have increased stamina. I make all my own pictures (Photofit files) using the free version of the Facegen Modeller. This requires a lot of time so I don't see any expansion in the near future. Having a women's league is a bit different. The players want "weight" hidden and "age" changed to "seasons played". I would also suggest that "personality ratings" be increased to include "bitchiness".

[mayberrb]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Bad idea. Women play softball.

Eri Yoshida is pitching right now in a professional baseball league in Arizona against future major leaguers. And women have been playing professional baseball in women's leagues since the 1940s. So it seems only fitting that OOTP eventually include women players and women's leagues. Without that possibility, those of us who love historical leagues are denied access to the rich history of the AAGPBL, while those who enjoy minor league action must ignore one of the game's current stars.

[Athletics17]

Originally Posted by mayberrb

Eri Yoshida is pitching right now in a professional baseball league in Arizona against future major leaguers. And women have been playing professional baseball in women's leagues since the 1940s. So it seems only fitting that OOTP eventually include women players and women's leagues. Without that possibility, those of us who love historical leagues are denied access to the rich history of the AAGPBL, while those who enjoy minor league action must ignore one of the game's current stars.

For those who like the historical replay might really dig this. If you could throw in the AAGPBL during WW2 would create the true experience of the evolution of baseball. Women have their fingerprints all over the history of baseball.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

This game needs a thousand things added to it, and women are none of them. OOTP is - at least supposedly - a baseball simulation. It is not a science fiction game, and I oppose any and all efforts to try to make it into one.

The problem isn't your opinion, the problem is the wording. Having female players in a game does not make it "Science fiction" at all. Now, I'm aware that you're probably using hyperbole, but some people might not be, and it might come across as sexist.

And as I've said, I've never argued that this is a "need".

[Athletics17]

If you look up AAGPBL(would link it but I am on my phone). Sprites was making a girl lahman db and their are logos from no pep. So there is groundwork already.

We don't need a gentlemen's agreement in ootp. That's one option we have no room for.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

The problem isn't your opinion, the problem is the wording. Having female players in a game does not make it "Science fiction" at all.

Having female players in baseball IS science fiction, or at least alternate history. The AAGPBL never played regulation baseball. You have to know that. There is zero chance of any women playing in the Show, unless they are roid monsters. You have to know that, too. This whole idea makes no sense.

The game needs many improvements - there's an interesting discussion about lineup options in another thread that would improve the game quite a bit - and yet you want developer time spent on something as science fiction as this?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

it might come across as sexist.

A lot of history is sexist. Racist, too. It is what it is. Facts don't have to apologize for themselves.

And if you think you will ever see women in the Show I have some dandy beachfront lots in Arizona to sell you.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by mayberrb

And women have been playing professional baseball in women's leagues since the 1940s.

Women have never played regulation baseball. Ever. Look it up.

[shawa666]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Having female players in baseball IS science fiction, or at least alternate history. The AAGPBL never played regulation baseball. You have to know that. There is zero chance of any women playing in the Show, unless they are roid monsters. You have to know that, too. This whole idea makes no sense.

The game needs many improvements - there's an interesting discussion about lineup options in another thread that would improve the game quite a bit - and yet you want developer time spent on something as science fiction as this?

A lot of us like to play alternate history games.

My favorite scenario is the PCL going rogue to resist the Dodgers/Giants move to California in 58

And like it or not, the AAGPBL did exist.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by shawa666

And like it or not, the AAGPBL did exist.

Like it or not, it didn't play regulation baseball.

[shawa666]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Like it or not, it didn't play regulation baseball.

Regulations changed anyway. No way in hell would the MLB approve a park with a 500ft center field fence like there were in the deadball era. Pitcher's mound height was 15 inches until 1969 where it was lowered to 10 inches. Regulations change all the time. This argument is irrelevant.