Worst Pay-to-Win Game in the History of Pay-to-Win Games - Page 3

bailey · 10-07-2022, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HondoLane

That card is so fire, I don't think it counts as an impulse buy, sir.

I think it counts because 5 minutes before I had no plans to buy it.
Anyway, the team is still dead last in runs scored, but playing above .500. Therefore, I'm 2.5 back of the division or wild card spot and 3.5 above relegation. It's a VERY balance league. A 22-week veteran of diamond league is solidly in the relegation zone!

Southern_Aristocrat · 10-11-2022, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HondoLane

No, not paid by OOTP.

I guess it's possible (though I'm still in doubt) that I am the single greatest F2P player in the history of OOTP: as I can, in fact, earn enough PP to compete with P2P.

Most F2P guys like me don't want to put in the time you do. Personally more than a few minutes of messing around with auctions and missions it starts feeling like it's work. That's what probably makes you good (and crazy). Notwithstanding arbitrary historical card creation (don't get me started) remember this is a short term P2P game. Most have realized this as the number of players has collapsed since recent years. Why put in time and/or money in a game that will be permanently nuked in a year. I'm just ranting and probably not adding to the OP's point. But lets be honest there's nothing to win. All the time or money put into this game will be erased in a year.

Fabtron7 · 10-12-2022, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern_Aristocrat

Why put in time and/or money in a game that will be permanently nuked in a year.

Because it's fun?

HRBaker · 10-12-2022, 04:33 PM

This basically a 6-month game. By the time the real baseball season winds down, improving your team becomes significantly more difficult. Perfect and Diamond cards swamp the top half of the pyramid, and only those who fully understand the relationship of ratings between each other and who they are facing have the ability to know which combination of players does best against any given opponent.

In other words, it becomes a numbers game the second half of the year.

Me? I like the early months where getting and installing a Rocky Colavito to replace an Al Smith is obvious and exciting. Early-on, each roster replacement feels like you really did something. At the current stage of the game I wonder if replacing a Diamond 95 with a Perfect 100 is helping me or hurting me.

I realize the "big" guys (whales?) absolutely LOVE the competition of pouring over those rating relationships, but I just like playing baseball with baseball cards that represent real players. Like Southern_Aristocrat alluded to, I'm just not into all the effort it takes to transition from a baseball game to a numbers game.

There's some validity to the comment about everything getting "nuked" at the end of the year for all the effort, but I think the big guys don't mind that - and trying to make this format work across multiple calendar years would be even more complex than the game already is... and the majority of players actually want a re-start point.

There's no way to please everyone. The player base is very diverse; P2P, F2P, baseball season players, all-year players, baseball card enthusiasts, stat guys, historical players, "live" players... the list goes on. Each of us, based on our interests, would like a different game - but that's not in the cards.

I think the OP was a bit overzealous accusing the company of hurting the game due to greed. Obviously it's a product designed to make them money so they can pay expenses and end up with a profit. That's not greed, it's common sense. The classic game is the original foundation of this project and for $40 a year it's a steal. It's no secret that PT is an "add on" P2P game that brings in far more $$ than the classic game. That's precisely why COM2US bought it. But - it's also designed to accommodate F2P players if they are willing to put in the time to make up for the lack of spending. Thus, the decision falls on the player on how to approach the game - or for that matter whether to play it or not.

In such a scenario, we can't blame the designers.

Southern_Aristocrat · 10-18-2022, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Because it's fun?

Meh. I realized early on I would never complete any "platinum" mission so I liquidate all those cards. Then I figure out most of the "Cooperstown" cards are unplayable. Why invest. Thankfully the Build a lineup in there, I thought that was good on their part as those missions weren't impossible for lazy F2P guys. I can't fault them for that. Yea, ranting again and not answering your question.... To your question. Cuz in a few years there will be no one to play against.

Ty Cobb · 10-23-2022, 01:11 AM

"lazy F2P guys"

Wow...

bailey · 10-23-2022, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

"lazy F2P guys"

Wow...

I'm sure he didn't mean ALL F2P are lazy. Lazy F2P is a sub-category of F2P.

Fabtron7 · 10-23-2022, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

I'm sure he didn't mean ALL F2P are lazy. Lazy F2P is a sub-category of F2P.

Over on the discord we refer to it as the "casual" player.

Ty Cobb · 10-23-2022, 10:01 PM

My skin maaay have been a little thin there.��

Southern_Aristocrat · 10-24-2022, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Over on the discord we refer to it as the "casual" player.

Yep. Not last year but now I've lost interest, mind you I went at it at the beginning hard core but after my deck had 4000+ cards and 1 live perfect pull as the cream of the crop I said... Why? I'm more livid the single player franchise mode is borked. Been a fanboy since 2012, before any of this pay to win bull****. I am totally selfish and just want the single player franchise mode to be awesome and represent real world results but I think effort is expended in this multiplayer PVP mode. Grumpy old man reporting out. It's my opinion and I'm not saying I'm right or you're are wrong. We just have different wants.

Fabtron7 · 10-24-2022, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern_Aristocrat

Yep. Not last year but now I've lost interest, mind you I went at it at the beginning hard core but after my deck had 4000+ cards and 1 live perfect pull as the cream of the crop I said... Why? I'm more livid the single player franchise mode is borked. Been a fanboy since 2012, before any of this pay to win bull****. I am totally selfish and just want the single player franchise mode to be awesome and represent real world results but I think effort is expended in this multiplayer PVP mode. Grumpy old man reporting out. It's my opinion and I'm not saying I'm right or you're are wrong. We just have different wants.

I'm the opposite, was a huge base game player for years but now I'm 100% about Perfect Team. I'll always have special place in my hear for the base game though and I wasn't aware it was borked.

If you ever wanted to give PT another shot, there's a great community over on discord that can give you some tips and guidance that'll make your team WAY better WAY faster (that doesn't involve money). That said I totally get wanted to hang out in the base game sandbox which is an amazing game unto itself. For me now that I get the near-instant gratification of games simulating every 30 minutes (not even including tournaments) and fresh content every week to look forward to I don't think I can ever go back.

HondoLane · 10-26-2022, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

I'm the opposite, was a huge base game player for years but now I'm 100% about Perfect Team.

Same.

10-12-2022, 04:33 PM	#44
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,368	This basically a 6-month game. By the time the real baseball season winds down, improving your team becomes significantly more difficult. Perfect and Diamond cards swamp the top half of the pyramid, and only those who fully understand the relationship of ratings between each other and who they are facing have the ability to know which combination of players does best against any given opponent. In other words, it becomes a numbers game the second half of the year. Me? I like the early months where getting and installing a Rocky Colavito to replace an Al Smith is obvious and exciting. Early-on, each roster replacement feels like you really did something. At the current stage of the game I wonder if replacing a Diamond 95 with a Perfect 100 is helping me or hurting me. I realize the "big" guys (whales?) absolutely LOVE the competition of pouring over those rating relationships, but I just like playing baseball with baseball cards that represent real players. Like Southern_Aristocrat alluded to, I'm just not into all the effort it takes to transition from a baseball game to a numbers game. There's some validity to the comment about everything getting "nuked" at the end of the year for all the effort, but I think the big guys don't mind that - and trying to make this format work across multiple calendar years would be even more complex than the game already is... and the majority of players actually want a re-start point. There's no way to please everyone. The player base is very diverse; P2P, F2P, baseball season players, all-year players, baseball card enthusiasts, stat guys, historical players, "live" players... the list goes on. Each of us, based on our interests, would like a different game - but that's not in the cards. I think the OP was a bit overzealous accusing the company of hurting the game due to greed. Obviously it's a product designed to make them money so they can pay expenses and end up with a profit. That's not greed, it's common sense. The classic game is the original foundation of this project and for $40 a year it's a steal. It's no secret that PT is an "add on" P2P game that brings in far more $$ than the classic game. That's precisely why COM2US bought it. But - it's also designed to accommodate F2P players if they are willing to put in the time to make up for the lack of spending. Thus, the decision falls on the player on how to approach the game - or for that matter whether to play it or not. In such a scenario, we can't blame the designers. Last edited by HRBaker; 10-13-2022 at 11:06 AM.

10-23-2022, 01:11 AM	#46
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,586	"lazy F2P guys" Wow... __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

10-23-2022, 10:01 PM	#49
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,586	Ok, ok My skin maaay have been a little thin there.�� __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos