Random Debut Gold

[italyprof]

Originally Posted by David Watts

It's strange, I know the better results come from using high fatigue, but I just don't enjoy that setting. Are any of you in the same boat?

I always use it. Helps get more ABs to bench players.

[italyprof]

Originally Posted by ripitback

Ok, I think selecting the year before each season helps. I was selecting the year when I created the league. Thank you!

David is right, it definitely helps. I keep a single historical year for the life of my leagues . Usually 1978, or 1984. And like he said, I sim to the day before opening day, change the stats year to the one I want, the one I gave already put in as historical year, and it pretty much works to get results consistent with time.

[David Watts]

Well this should be interesting. Dwight Evans hit home run number 473 to tie Babe Ruth for most home runs ever. He also managed to suffer a significant injury and will be out of the lineup for at least 5 weeks. It's late July so he will probably return late August, early September. It's going to be a blast to see if he can hit number 474 over the course of the last month. Based on his performance this season, I have to think retirement is in the works when the season ends. Either that, or he will simply remain a free agent for all of next season and then retire.

Mike Trout is once again out of action. Dude has been a monster when healthy, but he has more injury shortened seasons than he does seasons with 140+ games played.

I've enjoyed this league a lot, but I really do think from now on I will keep my leagues a lot smaller. 32 teams is just too many for me, especially with free agency turned on.

[David Watts]

Billy Williams should be the next player to join the 400 home run club. He's currently at 395.

[italyprof]

I kind of like Dwight Evans and Billy Williams being home run champions. Nice change -- and two good, likeable players in their time.

[David Watts]

Billy Williams is now sitting at 398 home runs, but I forgot about another guy, Dick Allen hit his 400th home run and beat Williams to the club.

[David Watts]

Don't really want to start a whole new thread for this, so I will just ask it here. When playing random debut, do you think guys from the 20's and especially the 1930's kind of get the short end of the stick offensively? I know this period of baseball was offense driven with entire teams hitting above .300, but I'm starting to wonder if random debut penalizes hitters from this period a little too much. For example, I've now seen Charlie Gehringer complete his entire career in two different random debut leagues. In each one, he was a career .270 type hitter with decent power, but in no way was he the sure fire Hall of Fame player he was in real life. I've had Gehrig be good but not great as well. Just curious as to what y'all think?

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Don't really want to start a whole new thread for this, so I will just ask it here. When playing random debut, do you think guys from the 20's and especially the 1930's kind of get the short end of the stick offensively? I know this period of baseball was offense driven with entire teams hitting above .300, but I'm starting to wonder if random debut penalizes hitters from this period a little too much. For example, I've now seen Charlie Gehringer complete his entire career in two different random debut leagues. In each one, he was a career .270 type hitter with decent power, but in no way was he the sure fire Hall of Fame player he was in real life. I've had Gehrig be good but not great as well. Just curious as to what y'all think?

I dunno, DW. Every league I've ever had Gehrig and Chuck Klein in, they are beasts. I reckon Klein would be the first position player I'd draft in OOTP if given the choice of anyone. Same with Hornsby and Frisch although they're from slightly earlier. Gehringer is one of those guys who never really had standout seasons or periods, he was just solidly well above average year-in, year-out. That can often get lost in this game. Same thing happens with guys like Heilmann and Joe Sewell. Do you use recalc or just dev?

[Reed]

They usually do fairly well for me (using 3 year recalc, 1984 base). Gehringer career is around .300 for me.
Base Reference has his neutralized average around .280. Based on the number of all star appearances and MVP voting I would say he is HOF worthy.
I think the inflated batting stats from that era probably results in some over bias for hitters from that period. JMO.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by luckymann

I dunno, DW. Every league I've ever had Gehrig and Chuck Klein in, they are beasts. I reckon Klein would be the first position player I'd draft in OOTP if given the choice of anyone. Same with Hornsby and Frisch although they're from slightly earlier. Gehringer is one of those guys who never really had standout seasons or periods, he was just solidly well above average year-in, year-out. That can often get lost in this game. Same thing happens with guys like Heilmann and Joe Sewell. Do you use recalc or just dev?

I use recalc. Usually 5 year, sometimes 3. I had that beast you speak of Klein in one of my leagues a ways back and he did flat out dominate. That was a league using 1 year recalc though, so I wrote it off as untrustworthy. Your response is why I like to ask questions on here. Thanks.

I should clarify. I use recalc and development. This current league has TCR set to around 140 or 145. Wanted to live a little on the wild side. Probably won't do that again.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I use recalc. Usually 5 year, sometimes 3. I had that beast you speak of Klein in one of my leagues a ways back and he did flat out dominate. That was a league using 1 year recalc though, so I wrote it off as untrustworthy. Your response is why I like to ask questions on here. Thanks.

I should clarify. I use recalc and development. This current league has TCR set to around 140 or 145. Wanted to live a little on the wild side. Probably won't do that again.

Yeah. i used to tinker with high TCR but just started finding that with recalc on as well - which usually means you are looking for fairly high historical replication - it was funking things up too much. The Bucs save is now at 10 because of the NeL presence, as it was really messing with my edited versions of those guys. Others I max it out at 25 and am doing more testing to see if what I'm seeing is real or just confirmation bias. Until then I plan on keeping it low. (Were I to start the Bucs save over again I'd have dev OFF TBH.)

I'm fairly sure Klein is the fastest to 100 HR in the Bucs save, ahead of Ruth (for whom it's hard to gauge because of that early pitching stint) and even Gehrig, who flew out of the gates but has been a bit quieter of late. Because those NeL bats are in there, I have to mess around with LTMs so they all get their HR quota, something it has taken me time to get right. As a result, Ruth's career HR total will be lucky to make 650.

In the AtHoL - my RD league with both recalc and dev on, TCR a bit too high at 75 (and in the process of being brought down) - Klein is just killing it.




I'll have another chance for a direct comparison with Gehrig now, as Lou is a rookie this season. Will be keen to see who goes better. Mize is in there as well and bombed out 62 HR last season (Roy Zimmerman had 63). 166 games in this league. So is Papi, Teixiera, Hit Dog, Buck Leonard, Donny Baseball, Keith Hernandez, Kris Bryant and a few others. Quite the collection of 1B legends.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Reed

They usually do fairly well for me (using 3 year recalc, 1984 base). Gehringer career is around .300 for me.
Base Reference has his neutralized average around .280. Based on the number of all star appearances and MVP voting I would say he is HOF worthy.
I think the inflated batting stats from that era probably results in some over bias for hitters from that period. JMO.

Thanks. Between you and Luckyman, I believe I was building something in my head that wasn't there.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by luckymann

Yeah. i used to tinker with high TCR but just started finding that with recalc on as well - which usually means you are looking for fairly high historical replication - it was funking things up too much. The Bucs save is now at 10 because of the NeL presence, as it was really messing with my edited versions of those guys. Others I max it out at 25 and am doing more testing to see if what I'm seeing is real or just confirmation bias. Until then I plan on keeping it low. (Were I to start the Bucs save over again I'd have dev OFF TBH.)

I'm fairly sure Klein is the fastest to 100 HR in the Bucs save, ahead of Ruth (for whom it's hard to gauge because of that early pitching stint) and even Gehrig, who flew out of the gates but has been a bit quieter of late. Because those NeL bats are in there, I have to mess around with LTMs so they all get their HR quota, something it has taken me time to get right. As a result, Ruth's career HR total will be lucky to make 650.

In the AtHoL - my RD league with both recalc and dev on, TCR a bit too high at 75 (and in the process of being brought down) - Klein is just killing it.




I'll have another chance for a direct comparison with Gehrig now, as Lou is a rookie this season. Will be keen to see who goes better. Mize is in there as well and bombed out 62 HR last season (Roy Zimmerman had 63). 166 games in this league. So is Papi, Teixiera, Hit Dog, Buck Leonard, Donny Baseball, Keith Hernandez, Kris Bryant and a few others. Quite the collection of 1B legends.

Let me know about Lou. Not sure if I could play with development off. Scared of guys repeating their last recalc over and over. Don't want Koufax pitching till he's 56 continuously replicating that last monster season. I like the combo of both.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Let me know about Lou. Not sure if I could play with development off. Scared of guys repeating their last recalc over and over. Don't want Koufax pitching till he's 56 continuously replicating that last monster season. I like the combo of both.

Is that what can happen? Haven't played enough RDs to have noticed. That said, both Lefty Williams and Eddie Cicotte pitched well past their IRL exits in the Bucs (purely historical) save and Williams has been a flat-out gun from age 33. And that's with dev ON.

[David Watts]

Dwight Evans is the new home run king. Evans hit a whopping 4 home runs over the course of 2003 giving him 474 career home runs, one better than Babe Ruth. Evans also became the 2nd league player to reach the 100 WAR mark. By the end of the season, Evans reach 100.2 career WAR. Evans joins Billy Hamilton 114.1 WAR.

[David Watts]

Started up season #25 yesterday afternoon, 2004. Dallas finally made the post season in 2003. All 32 teams have now played post season baseball.

So many great careers are coming to a close that it's hard to keep track of all of them. Joey Votto, Todd Helton, Tony Perez, Billy Williams, Dick Allen, Dwight Evans, Freddie Freeman, and the I'm sure I'm forgetting several.


Dwight Evans is actually back at the age of 40, but he isn't playing everyday and is on the IL in early June. Freddie Freeman is a free agent and since he hasn't signed to start June, I don't know if he will play again. Votto, Perez and Helton all have a shot at 3000 hits.

Fans in Minneapolis can't be happy. Ownership lost Mike Trout to free agency and dealt away Tom Seaver. Trout is 30 years old to start 2004. He is great when he plays, but the guy gets injured if the wind changes direction. Seaver is in the prime of his career and losing him is going to hurt big time.

Al Kaline enters the league to start 2004. Al was drafted by San Diego.

Owners are fuming as the league commissioner decided to do away with the 3rd wild card team starting in 2004. Expansion may come in the future, if so, it will be a 4 team expansion. Each subleague will be split into 3 divisions of 6 teams each. But, a lot of folks thinks 36 teams might be too many, so only time will tell.

Aroldis Chapman crossed the 500 save plateau and is sitting at roughly 507, Chapman is on the IL as we speak, so his record saving pace is on hold right now. Jim Handiboe continues to wow in the closer roll as well. Handiboe has 400+ saves. Pretty amazing accomplishment if you go back and look at what he did in real life.

Have any of you ever had the occasion to have Steve Ontiveros in one of your random debut leagues? This guy was a career .274 hitter in real life, but man does he thrive whenever he shows up in one of my random debut leagues. He's doing so again in this one. I have a feeling he does so well, because he was a good on base guy in real life.

[David Watts]

Kind of stunned by this, Steve Garvey has strung together 7 straight 100+ RBI seasons and he's on pace for number 8. His first 2 seasons were the only ones he didn't reach the century mark.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Kind of stunned by this, Steve Garvey has strung together 7 straight 100+ RBI seasons and he's on pace for number 8. His first 2 seasons were the only ones he didn't reach the century mark.

Should have known, I post about it and it comes to an end. Garvey failed to reach the 100 RBI mark for the 2004 season. San Francisco hit him 2nd in the lineup for the entire season. Steve still tallied 90+ though on the season.