Using ChatGPT for players

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan55

Google "Mechanical Turk" that's what ChatGPT is.

Anyone who thinks it's useful or anything other than complete crap is a total mark. It's hilarious, but also sad an depressing to see anyone act like it's a useful tool or that it does anything positive. How can people be so easily duped? It's heartbreaking.

I’m pretty sure this is a ChatGPT prompted to take a contrarian view. Very clever

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

U.S. copyright is very clear on the human authorship requirement. Your own quote from an article states plainly the human authorship requirement. Below is the relevant excerpt from the Compendium of the U.S. Copyright Office Practices:

Let me clarify that point. I was suggesting that copyright law is going to necessarily be changed in ways that we cannot currently predict in response to the widespread use of AI. At some point, EVERY writer is going to be using AI to assist in their writing and the copyright laws will need to change to reflect that.


I am old enough to remember when software copyrights started and new precedents had to be set on how to handle software and there was a lot of chaos in the first few years. We bounced between extremes from the LDOS case to the "look and feel" false of Borland's Quattro.

[reflections]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

I’m pretty sure this is a ChatGPT prompted to take a contrarian view. Very clever

Probably just John Connor.

[luckymann]

You can say what you want about this technology, but keeping it in an OOTP context, until the game has had all of its little quirks and bugs eradicated from its reports and the like, then for those interested in reporting their saves in a thread then it is an entirely viable and fairly effective option.

Perfect example for me from today.

Big Papi breaks the single-season HR record in one of my saves.

The game recap generated by OOTP:



Nothing wrong with that as a standalone game recap I guess, but it obviously makes no mention whatsoever of the historic moment.

In my Inbox, however, I get this after the game:




Which is nice, except for two things:

• Papi actually hit another dinger in the 8th
• The previous record was actually held by both Barry Bonds and Hank Thompson

So this is in fact pretty useless - FAKE NEWS!


Now, not being an expert on ChatGPT by any stretch, but with just a bit of training and a few tries, this is the report it spat out:


David Ortiz Breaks Single-Season Home Run Record, Cements Stellar Career

Thursday, October 9th, 1980 - David Ortiz's legacy in the Eclipse League reached new heights as he shattered the single-season home run record. Ortiz's exceptional performance, which included two home runs against the Birmingham Black Barons, propelled him to an extraordinary total of 46 home runs for the season. Surpassing previous record holders Hank Thompson and Barry Bonds, who each had 44 home runs in different seasons, solidified Ortiz's status as one of the league's most dominant power hitters.

As Ortiz soared to new heights, his career statistics further emphasized his remarkable prowess at the plate. Over his illustrious career, Ortiz amassed an impressive total of 384 home runs, placing him at the top of the league's open career leaderboard. His consistency and ability to produce awe-inspiring power numbers year after year have etched his name among Eclipse League greats, surpassing notable names such as Jose Abreu and Tony Armas.

A closer look at Ortiz's career statistics reveals his sustained excellence. From his early years with the Cuban Stars to his historic accomplishments, Ortiz's performance speaks volumes about his impact on the game. Across 14 seasons, he recorded 2,025 hits, including 407 doubles and 19 triples, along with his towering home runs. Ortiz's remarkable career also featured 1,227 runs batted in, 1,097 runs scored, and an impressive 1,003 walks. His consistent ability to get on base and drive in runs made him a feared presence in the batter's box.

Ortiz's contributions extended beyond his offensive prowess. He showcased his durability and work ethic by appearing in 2,041 games throughout his career. His impact went beyond individual success, as he played a significant role in the success of the Cuban Stars franchise.

The game against the Birmingham Black Barons epitomized Ortiz's career-long dominance. His two home runs not only etched his name in the record books but also showcased his dedication, skill, and raw power. Ortiz's ability to consistently produce at an elite level has made him a beloved figure among fans and a respected adversary among opponents.

As the season unfolds, the Eclipse League eagerly anticipates Ortiz's pursuit of further records and milestones. With each swing of the bat, fans hold their breath in anticipation of witnessing another historic moment from David Ortiz, the epitome of a true Eclipse League powerhouse.


Far from perfect, granted. A few struggles with tense and no mention whatsoever of his career HR tally. Plus too much generic hype-babble. But still pretty good I reckon. And far more useful for my thread if I so desired.

No dig at OOTP meant - it is a baseball simulator, not a word processor - but merely a riposte to those who feel AI has no part in all of this. Personally, I'd love to see it included as a feature in some future version. Would sure make some of those game recaps a bit more easily digestible.

BTW I am 55 and no tech wiz.

[darkcloud4579]

I think it's great we have a tool like this for a text-heavy game as it relates to adding context for the simulations we're playing on our own, since OOTP is such a sandbox game. I have zero interest in having that capability added to the game, even if they had unlimited budget to use it because there are lots of other baseball-related things that would make the game even more usable than worrying about whether we could churn out more prose. But I'm glad we have a thing to help us better interpret our sims and game summaries and such alike. Immersion is great.

[uruguru]

with just a bit of training and a few tries, this is the report it spat out:

yes, it doesn't take much work with ChatGPT to realize that it's not actually AI, but an incredibly sophisticated and useful text generation tool. But as with all tools, like my hammer, sometimes I have to bang on the nail a few times to get the result I want.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by uruguru

Let me clarify that point. I was suggesting that copyright law is going to necessarily be changed in ways that we cannot currently predict in response to the widespread use of AI. At some point, EVERY writer is going to be using AI to assist in their writing and the copyright laws will need to change to reflect that.

The problem with any such changes is that under U.S. copyright law the human authorship requirement is long-standing, well-established, and backed by legal precedent. Overturning legal precedent is very difficult.

Using AI as an assistant is probably not a problem, provided the final work is clearly the product of a human mind. For example, if an AI program gives you the basic plot of a story, from which you then write a novel from scratch, the novel would likely be copyrightable since you as the author wrote every word of the story and exercised ultimate creative control.

Originally Posted by uruguru

I am old enough to remember when software copyrights started and new precedents had to be set on how to handle software and there was a lot of chaos in the first few years. We bounced between extremes from the LDOS case to the "look and feel" false of Borland's Quattro.

I expect over the next decade there will likely be copyright legal cases involving AI usage which will clarify matters. At present, though, for anyone using AI in a work intended for commercial purposes, be cautious.

[Pelican]

Agree that any changes in copyright law through litigation would be slow and organic - which might strike some as healthy and prudent. The other option, of course, is for Congress to step in and clarify how/if copyright law applies to AI-generated material. The legislative clarification would make sense, were it not for the bitter partisan divisions that prevent reasonable discussions of evolving issues.

[uruguru]

I think the problem with Congress stepping in to do anything is that, in general, politicians only do things to enrich themselves or to help themselves get re-elected (don't jump on me, this is not a partisan concept). In the end, they would be successfully lobbied by monied interests to craft a law that would benefit those interests.

In other words, they will eventually legislate something when there's enough financial incentive to take the political risk of doing something that might be unpopular. If history is any indication, it won't be a good law!

[Jonah Falcon]

Well, seems like they upgraded ChatGPT.

Check out this article it wrote about one of my players:

Title: David Valek: The Unlikely Resurrection of a Baseball Veteran

Subtitle: A Look at the Career Journey of David Valek, from a Minor League Signing to All-Star Success with the Yankees

Introduction:

In the annals of baseball history, there are countless tales of players who experienced a career resurgence when least expected. One such story is that of David Valek, a veteran player who found himself in the limelight with the New York Yankees after years of unremarkable performances. At the age of 39, Valek defied expectations and captured the hearts of fans with his unexpected offensive prowess. Let's delve into his journey and the remarkable season that made him an All-Star in the year 2126.

Early Career and Unfulfilled Potential:

Born on August 22, 2086, in Alpharetta, GA, Valek's baseball journey began when he was drafted by the Baltimore Orioles in the first round of the 2108 MLB draft. Initially regarded as a promising prospect, Valek's career failed to live up to the early expectations. Throughout his early years, he struggled to find consistency, bouncing between the Orioles and their minor league affiliates.

Despite occasional flashes of brilliance, Valek's overall performance remained unremarkable. His journey took him from Baltimore to the Los Angeles Dodgers and later to the Boston Red Sox, where his struggles continued. As the years went by, it seemed as though Valek's career would end without any notable achievements.

The Yankees' Minor League Signing and Call-Up:

In a surprising turn of events, David Valek found himself signing a minor league contract with the New York Yankees ahead of the 2125 season. It was seen as a low-risk move, with little fanfare or expectations surrounding the veteran first baseman. Valek began the season playing for the Yankees' minor league affiliate, the Somerset Patriots, patiently waiting for an opportunity to prove himself once again.

The Turning Point: Injury Replacement and Offensive Surge:

Valek's fortunes changed dramatically when an injury opened a spot on the Yankees' roster. Called up as an injury replacement, Valek was thrust into the lineup, and he seized the opportunity with gusto. In his first few games, he surprised everyone with his offensive prowess, delivering timely hits, driving in runs, and displaying power at the plate.

The 2126 All-Star Season:

Building on his early success, Valek continued to shine for the Yankees in the 2126 season. He became a reliable presence in the lineup, consistently delivering clutch hits and showcasing his power-hitting abilities. With his remarkable offensive output, he earned a well-deserved spot on the American League All-Star team. At the age of 39, Valek had proven that age is just a number when talent and determination converge.

The Numbers Don't Lie:

A look at Valek's statistics during the 2126 season reveals the extent of his career resurrection. In 72 games, he amassed 78 hits, including 8 doubles and an impressive 17 home runs. Valek's batting average stood at .308, with an on-base percentage of .372 and a slugging percentage of .542. These numbers earned him a respectable 1.7 Wins Above Replacement (WAR), a testament to his significant contributions to the team's success.

Off the Field: Character and Dedication:

Beyond his statistical achievements, Valek's story resonated with fans due to his unwavering dedication and exceptional character. Known for his positive attitude and work ethic, he served as an inspiration to teammates and fans alike. Despite the ups and downs of his career, Valek's perseverance and determination to make the most of his second chance earned him the respect and admiration of the baseball community.

Looking Ahead:

As David Valek continues to make an impact for the New York Yankees, his career resurrection serves as a reminder of the unpredictable nature of sports. While many players fade into obscurity, Valek's resurgence with the Yankees provides hope and inspiration to athletes and fans who dare to dream of achieving greatness, regardless of age or past disappointments. As the 2126 season unfolds, fans eagerly anticipate how far Valek's remarkable journey will take him.

Conclusion:

David Valek's story is one of redemption and resilience, showcasing the power of perseverance and seizing opportunities when they arise. From a minor league signing to an unexpected All-Star season, Valek's remarkable offensive surge with the New York Yankees has captivated the baseball world. At the age of 39, he defied the odds and reignited his career, serving as an inspiration to those who believe in the power of second chances. As Valek continues to make his mark on the game, his legacy will forever be etched in the annals of baseball history.

[darkcloud4579]

It's still very heavy on the hyperbole and tends to write generically ,but it's ability to process lots of information quickly is impressive. Even just copying box scores pasted from the game can allow it to produce game recaps that are quality. I'm not interested in using the OOTP forums to have a meta discussion about the ethics of AI or the minutia of copyright law, but from a purely practical standpoint, it's a fun tool for people who play extremely text-heavy games to be able to contextualize their sims over a period of time.

In that way, OOTP even surpasses FM, which doesn't do as good a job producing text copy and portable data whereas OOTP is extremely dexterous in that way.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

It's still very heavy on the hyperbole and tends to write generically ,but it's ability to process lots of information quickly is impressive. Even just copying box scores pasted from the game can allow it to produce game recaps that are quality. I'm not interested in using the OOTP forums to have a meta discussion about the ethics of AI or the minutia of copyright law, but from a purely practical standpoint, it's a fun tool for people who play extremely text-heavy games to be able to contextualize their sims over a period of time.

In that way, OOTP even surpasses FM, which doesn't do as good a job producing text copy and portable data whereas OOTP is extremely dexterous in that way.

The box score pasted was impressive to me as I was worried about losing the formatting on the paste. It does even better with the Game Summary added on too.

Now, imagine it with access to everything in all the .dat files from the almanac to the player stats past and present, league macro scoring and statistical trends and team records, player personalities, clubhouse situations, team financial predicaments, team needs, upcoming free agents. All that is sitting in the game. Not easy to paste into ChatGPT. But there. Just waiting to be built in some sort of Meta open-source LLaMA for commercial applications along with a and Microsoft-powered local and custom AI. Or so I like to dream... because man, everyone seems in a rush to do something with in in a commercial way. At some point, it will be the norm, just a matter of when, I reckon.