Historical database issues go here! - Page 6

clamel · 07-28-2020, 09:08 AM

To my surprise I find that a thing working so-so in the past version doesn't work at all now.
The historical correct managers for the year you start a save in historical mode was correct in the past. Now they pop up as "free agents" and all teams are filled with fake managers ?

I was sadly surprise after first locating many true and real managers in the free personal pool. I thought for once the game actually imported managers that really was unemployed the season I started.
Now it was even worse than in old versions of the game after those real managers for the starting season was fixed.

How difficult could it be to have managers/coaches imported as one can do with players ?? They are in the DB and it would be nice to be able to import them with their true win-loss records up to the season you start with

Still the maximum would be to get correct coaches on all teams in the majors, pitching, hitting and bench coaches. It makes a historical play much more cool.

Makonnen · 07-29-2020, 05:02 PM

Robinson Cano's birthplace (San Pedro de Marcoris) is missing.

Mike Epstein's birthplace (The Bronx) is missing. Oddly, The Bronx does not appear as an option in the City list, either.

Red Rolfe's birthplace (Penacook, NH) is missing from the DB.

Makonnen · 08-04-2020, 06:17 PM

Bob Feller's birthplace (Van Meter, IA) and Si Johnson's birthplace (Danway, IL) are missing from the database.

cheo25 · 08-04-2020, 06:37 PM

Larry Dierker's birthplace is listed as Hollywood, Florida. But he was actually born in Hollywood, Calif. And the game only lists "West Hollywood, Calif." as an option.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ierkla01.shtml

Lukas Berger · 08-04-2020, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makonnen

Robinson Cano's birthplace (San Pedro de Marcoris) is missing.

Mike Epstein's birthplace (The Bronx) is missing. Oddly, The Bronx does not appear as an option in the City list, either.

Red Rolfe's birthplace (Penacook, NH) is missing from the DB.

San Pedro De Macoris is in the db, I think you just misspelled it above. Or maybe it's misspelled in Cano's db entry, I'll check.

There's a long explanation of why The Bronx, Staten Island and Queens are not in the db (Mostly related to the naming of new teams in fictional leagues), but suffice to say that it's an intentional decision. There are good reasons both to have them in and to leave them out, and it's a tough choice.

Penacook, NH likely won't be in the db, as it is neither a current city nor a census designated place. Given that is is Rolfe's listed birthplace though, we might make an exception and add it in. I'll have to see after doing some more research.

Overall, just to add a note/update, I'm working on totally revamping the US cities in the world db. Right now, basically we have all cities listed at 1000 population or more based on 2008 or 2009ish numbers in the db. A handful of other cities have been manually added, but I'm working on going through the db and systematically adding in all towns and CDP's in the US that are missing.

It's a big project though and honestly not a major priority compared to other things that need to be done, so it will take some time.

It's more an OOTP22 thing to be realistic, but it is being worked on.

Lukas Berger · 08-04-2020, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makonnen

Bob Feller's birthplace (Van Meter, IA) and Si Johnson's birthplace (Danway, IL) are missing from the database.

Added Van Meter to the db but Danway is another town like Penacook, NH where neither is a CDP or official town, so they lack any current population data. Thus making it a tough call on whether to add them into the db with fictional (guesstimate) population or to leave them out.

Lukas Berger · 08-04-2020, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheo25

Larry Dierker's birthplace is listed as Hollywood, Florida. But he was actually born in Hollywood, Calif. And the game only lists "West Hollywood, Calif." as an option.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ierkla01.shtml

This is a current limitation of the db, which Spritze has discussed before. For historical players, the game can't currently differentiate between cities with the same name in different states, so it just picks one, sometimes the wrong one.

We're working on merging the historical db into the roster db though, which will fix this issue when it happens. More of an OOTP22 thing at this point though.

As for Hollywood, Calif., probably that will never be in the db, as Hollywood is really just a neighborhood of Los Angeles, and we don't list neighborhoods as their own cities/towns in the db, even when they are bigger than most cities or towns, as in the case of Hollywood. Ultimately, the solution here will likely be to change Dierker's birthplace to Los Angeles.

dewelar · 08-05-2020, 10:05 AM

Looks like we have another Gromek situation. I just imported 1983 Bill Gullickson. He came in with a birthdate of February 20, 3952, and an age of 27745 years, 5337 days. He's also listed as a third baseman, and has no stats whatsoever.

Edit: Never mind -- it looks like I accidentally imported Gullickson using a year of 0. Honestly, though, that's probably something the game shouldn't allow to happen.

Makonnen · 08-05-2020, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

San Pedro De Macoris is in the db, I think you just misspelled it above. Or maybe it's misspelled in Cano's db entry, I'll check.

Sorry, I wasn't clear in trying to differentiate between different things. SPDM is in the DB, Cano is listed as not having a place of birth.

Ty Cobb · 08-12-2020, 07:19 PM

Doing an initial draft and noticed this...

Clovidequano Dovatha · 08-12-2020, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Spritze, I'm hoping you can help me out a bit. I'm trying to find the codes to perhaps use to import the following Japanese Hall of Famers into my game as players, if possible, at some point, at least once. I am wondering if they're in the game's databases, but here is a list of players I'm still trying to find codes for. I realize that at least a few of them may not be in the databases, including statistical records for them as players, but I'm still looking for the following players, in terms of codes for them, at least:

Nobuaki Nidegawa
Shuichi Ishimoto
Sadayoshi Fujimoto
Tsunetaro Moriyama
Seiichi Shima
Masayori Shimura
Reiichi Matsunaga
Tokichiro Ishii
Kichiro Shimaoka
Shinji Kirihara

There are probably others I've still to find statistics and all for, but these are the ones I'm mainly looking for now, or may need codes for, at least, if I don't already have them. I'm trying to collect codes for members of Hall of Famers, mainly, for multiple dynasties, you see. And next, I'll probably be looking for codes related to Negro League Hall of Famers, if I haven't already begun doing so.

Any help you can provide here would most certainly be greatly appreciated, of course. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Please post the requested codes, if you have them, in my related General Discussions thread for the OOTP 20 section of the forums, if you don't mind? CD out.

Still haven't been able to find the necessary codes for the above Japanese baseball players, Spritze, unfortunately. Any chance you might be able to help me out here at least a little, please? Thanks in advance if you can, for sure. CD out.

zappa1 · 08-15-2020, 05:21 PM

I also found duplicate players about 12 games into the 1961 season. Don Blasingame and Ed Bailey are both on the Giants and the Reds at the same time. I am playing with real linups and transactions.

Now I just found Turk Farrell on 2 teams. He's on my Phillies and he's also on the Dodgers. I'm getting ready to play a series against the Dodgers and he's in their bullpen. I'm getting the feeling there are probably more. I think the whole 1961 season is messed up.

Don Demeter and Charley Smith also on both the Phillies and Dodgers. Demeter and Smith just got traded to the Phillies. Yet, they are still on the Dodgers, too. This is turning into a big mess.

FIXED!!! I restarted the game and season 1961 with a clean facegen folder with file names of players names NOT player ID's. Don Blasingame moved from the Giants to the Reds correctly, now. Don't know if that was the problem for sure but it worked for me.

TheKhaosDemon · 08-24-2020, 02:19 PM

(This is a secondary post - Apologies for this as I am new to the forums and this looks like the correct area to post errors regarding players stats)

Hello,

I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this post - if not please direct me to where I should post this - but here is my issue/concern.

Recently released was the 96 Overall Derek Jeter Peak Card (Year 2000). I'm not one to complain about player ratings, in fact this is my first ever forum post, but Peak Derek Jeter has a Stealing Rating of 10.

This makes him have one of the Lowest rated 'Sealing Rating' of the Yankees. For comparison, Don Mattingly has a 'Stealing Rating' of 11. Yogi Berra has a 'Stealing Rating' of 10. Jorge Posada has a 'Stealing Rating' of 47...

Derek Jeter for his career Stole 358 Bases and was Caught Stealing 97 times. So of this 455 Steal Attempts, he was successful at a 78.3% rate. His 2000 season, which when you highlight the card is the year the card seems to be based off of, Jeter had 22 Successful steals compared to 4 Caught Stealing. Jeter's Worst Years Stealing were either 1997 (23 Steals to 12 Caught Stealing) or 2007 (15 Steals to 8 Caught Stealing)

I really am not one to complain about ratings. I know many are subjective and stats are used as a guideline of sorts to give as accurate a rating as possible. Even Derek Jeter's Bronze 66 card has his Stealing at a 74... which is really where he Peak should at minimum begin, if not be higher.

I just wanted to point this out because for an all time player who was One Vote shy of a unanimous Hall of Fame Career, he in no way deserves a 10 rating for Stealing based on his Career Stats, especially for a Diamond Peak card. Also, as a hardcore Yankee fan, to wait so long for a good playable Derek Jeter card to come out, only to see what can only be an error in his 'Stealing' rating, was rough.

Thank you kindly for you time. I love OOTP Baseball and I do hope that the right people take a look at this statistic and reconsider. It just doesn't seem correct based off of his performance over his career for a Peak card.

(Here is a Link to his Baseball-Reference Batting Stats page for reference:: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...tting_standard )

TheKhaosDemon

Bronxville Bombers
New York Yankees

Makonnen · 08-31-2020, 04:10 PM

Jose E Ramirez (this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...1.shtml)'s birthplace isn't set. Bani is in the DB, it's just not set in his record.

dewelar · 09-01-2020, 10:12 PM

Another player erroneously listed as Caucasian in the DB: Donnie Moore.

chambertrain · 09-11-2020, 07:39 PM

another wicked tall player in the 1976 historical season, forgot who but sort by height or something

LunchBox · 09-16-2020, 03:18 AM

Binghamton Mets are missing from the Eastern League in 2016

Buies Creek Astros are missing from the Carolina League in 2018

Have no idea if the players from those teams are also missing or not

FancySkunk · 09-18-2020, 01:47 AM

Mike Gazella has his BBRef ID duplicated into his historical minors ID field. Actual historic minors ID is "gazell001mic"

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=gazell001mic

bernstde · 09-18-2020, 02:33 AM

I am trying run historical leagues on a mac, one online league (1994 season) and an offline league (1989). I am not sure if my player database is corrupt, however, I have seen an issue in two cases:

1) I cannot bring in a full amateur draft class when I am trying to bring in the player pool (only loads 23 players).
2) I am trying to create a 1989 historical start, and it is not bringing in the full teams (only see 7 prospects).

Can someone help? My path to the historical database is:
/Users/dbernstein/Library/Containers/com.ootpdevelopments.ootp21macqlm/Data/Library/Application Support/Out of the Park Developments/OOTP Baseball 21/stats/

Please help!

kjsjr · 10-24-2020, 01:23 PM

I noticed there was another user who mentioned what I believe is the same issue elsewhere, but the replies were unhelpful and dismissive on that thread and I can't find it now, so I'll post the observation here, hopefully in a crystal clear way. I'll set up the issue as a little experiment that's easy to reproduce, so hopefully devs et al. see clearly what I mean.

4 test groups:

a) Catchers OOTP 20 have MLB experience in real life
b) Catchers OOTP 20 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only)
c) Catchers OOTP 21 have MLB experience in real life
d) Catchers OOTP 21 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only)

Start OOTP20, setup a historical game, I chose from the Golden Age era but I don't think it matters. Let the game be created, and save it. Do the same using the same settings in OOTP21. Save. I took no in-game actions (i.e. altered nothing, did nothing, I just looked at ratings in the games that OOTP20 and OOTP21 created).

Now in these games you've set up, look at catcher ratings (I used the player editor to get the rating, to make sure it wasn't a scouting error, but the true number rating). Catchers in group d above will have higher defensive ratings than catchers from the other 3 groups. An unusual number of catchers from that group will have almost perfect defensive ability.

I can think of no rationale for this, I cannot believe it was intentional, and I reproduced it on different machines with fresh installs a few times, so here you go, historical db bug issue report.

For myself, I wish I could simply use whatever method converted historical stats to ratings in OOTP20 to do that for OOTP21.

08-05-2020, 10:05 AM	#108
dewelar Major Leagues Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 368	Looks like we have another Gromek situation. I just imported 1983 Bill Gullickson. He came in with a birthdate of February 20, 3952, and an age of 27745 years, 5337 days. He's also listed as a third baseman, and has no stats whatsoever. Edit: Never mind -- it looks like I accidentally imported Gullickson using a year of 0. Honestly, though, that's probably something the game shouldn't allow to happen. Last edited by dewelar; 08-05-2020 at 10:21 AM. Reason: My mistake

08-12-2020, 07:19 PM	#110
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,582	Dupicate player in 1946? Doing an initial draft and noticed this... Attached Images __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

08-15-2020, 05:21 PM	#112
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,128	I also found duplicate players about 12 games into the 1961 season. Don Blasingame and Ed Bailey are both on the Giants and the Reds at the same time. I am playing with real linups and transactions. Now I just found Turk Farrell on 2 teams. He's on my Phillies and he's also on the Dodgers. I'm getting ready to play a series against the Dodgers and he's in their bullpen. I'm getting the feeling there are probably more. I think the whole 1961 season is messed up. Don Demeter and Charley Smith also on both the Phillies and Dodgers. Demeter and Smith just got traded to the Phillies. Yet, they are still on the Dodgers, too. This is turning into a big mess. FIXED!!! I restarted the game and season 1961 with a clean facegen folder with file names of players names NOT player ID's. Don Blasingame moved from the Giants to the Reds correctly, now. Don't know if that was the problem for sure but it worked for me. Last edited by zappa1; 08-28-2020 at 05:18 PM.

08-24-2020, 02:19 PM	#113
TheKhaosDemon Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 2	96 Overall Peak Derek Jeter - Incorrect Statistic for Stealing? (This is a secondary post - Apologies for this as I am new to the forums and this looks like the correct area to post errors regarding players stats) Hello, I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this post - if not please direct me to where I should post this - but here is my issue/concern. Recently released was the 96 Overall Derek Jeter Peak Card (Year 2000). I'm not one to complain about player ratings, in fact this is my first ever forum post, but Peak Derek Jeter has a Stealing Rating of 10. This makes him have one of the Lowest rated 'Sealing Rating' of the Yankees. For comparison, Don Mattingly has a 'Stealing Rating' of 11. Yogi Berra has a 'Stealing Rating' of 10. Jorge Posada has a 'Stealing Rating' of 47... Derek Jeter for his career Stole 358 Bases and was Caught Stealing 97 times. So of this 455 Steal Attempts, he was successful at a 78.3% rate. His 2000 season, which when you highlight the card is the year the card seems to be based off of, Jeter had 22 Successful steals compared to 4 Caught Stealing. Jeter's Worst Years Stealing were either 1997 (23 Steals to 12 Caught Stealing) or 2007 (15 Steals to 8 Caught Stealing) I really am not one to complain about ratings. I know many are subjective and stats are used as a guideline of sorts to give as accurate a rating as possible. Even Derek Jeter's Bronze 66 card has his Stealing at a 74... which is really where he Peak should at minimum begin, if not be higher. I just wanted to point this out because for an all time player who was One Vote shy of a unanimous Hall of Fame Career, he in no way deserves a 10 rating for Stealing based on his Career Stats, especially for a Diamond Peak card. Also, as a hardcore Yankee fan, to wait so long for a good playable Derek Jeter card to come out, only to see what can only be an error in his 'Stealing' rating, was rough. Thank you kindly for you time. I love OOTP Baseball and I do hope that the right people take a look at this statistic and reconsider. It just doesn't seem correct based off of his performance over his career for a Peak card. (Here is a Link to his Baseball-Reference Batting Stats page for reference:: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...tting_standard ) TheKhaosDemon Bronxville Bombers New York Yankees

08-31-2020, 04:10 PM	#114
Makonnen All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 914	Jose E Ramirez (this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...1.shtml)'s birthplace isn't set. Bani is in the DB, it's just not set in his record. __________________ Year II of the WBL on the Forums STARTS HERE. Baseball The Way It Never Was https://wbl.dmlco.com/ i9s: Curated, Bespoke MLE's for NeL Players. https://www.i9s.org/

07-28-2020, 09:08 AM	#101
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	To my surprise I find that a thing working so-so in the past version doesn't work at all now. The historical correct managers for the year you start a save in historical mode was correct in the past. Now they pop up as "free agents" and all teams are filled with fake managers ? I was sadly surprise after first locating many true and real managers in the free personal pool. I thought for once the game actually imported managers that really was unemployed the season I started. Now it was even worse than in old versions of the game after those real managers for the starting season was fixed. How difficult could it be to have managers/coaches imported as one can do with players ?? They are in the DB and it would be nice to be able to import them with their true win-loss records up to the season you start with Still the maximum would be to get correct coaches on all teams in the majors, pitching, hitting and bench coaches. It makes a historical play much more cool.

07-29-2020, 05:02 PM	#102
Makonnen All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 914	Robinson Cano's birthplace (San Pedro de Marcoris) is missing. Mike Epstein's birthplace (The Bronx) is missing. Oddly, The Bronx does not appear as an option in the City list, either. Red Rolfe's birthplace (Penacook, NH) is missing from the DB.

08-04-2020, 06:17 PM	#103
Makonnen All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 914	Bob Feller's birthplace (Van Meter, IA) and Si Johnson's birthplace (Danway, IL) are missing from the database.

08-04-2020, 06:37 PM	#104
cheo25 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,272	Larry Dierker's birthplace is listed as Hollywood, Florida. But he was actually born in Hollywood, Calif. And the game only lists "West Hollywood, Calif." as an option. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ierkla01.shtml

09-01-2020, 10:12 PM	#115
dewelar Major Leagues Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 368	Another player erroneously listed as Caucasian in the DB: Donnie Moore.

09-11-2020, 07:39 PM	#116
chambertrain Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oswego, New York Posts: 316	another wicked tall player in the 1976 historical season, forgot who but sort by height or something

09-16-2020, 03:18 AM	#117
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 245	Binghamton Mets are missing from the Eastern League in 2016 Buies Creek Astros are missing from the Carolina League in 2018 Have no idea if the players from those teams are also missing or not

09-18-2020, 01:47 AM	#118
FancySkunk All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 514	Mike Gazella has his BBRef ID duplicated into his historical minors ID field. Actual historic minors ID is "gazell001mic" https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=gazell001mic

09-18-2020, 02:33 AM	#119
bernstde Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 49	Historical Database Issue on Mac I am trying run historical leagues on a mac, one online league (1994 season) and an offline league (1989). I am not sure if my player database is corrupt, however, I have seen an issue in two cases: 1) I cannot bring in a full amateur draft class when I am trying to bring in the player pool (only loads 23 players). 2) I am trying to create a 1989 historical start, and it is not bringing in the full teams (only see 7 prospects). Can someone help? My path to the historical database is: /Users/dbernstein/Library/Containers/com.ootpdevelopments.ootp21macqlm/Data/Library/Application Support/Out of the Park Developments/OOTP Baseball 21/stats/ Please help!

10-24-2020, 01:23 PM	#120
kjsjr Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 2	Catcher defensive rating issue I noticed there was another user who mentioned what I believe is the same issue elsewhere, but the replies were unhelpful and dismissive on that thread and I can't find it now, so I'll post the observation here, hopefully in a crystal clear way. I'll set up the issue as a little experiment that's easy to reproduce, so hopefully devs et al. see clearly what I mean. 4 test groups: a) Catchers OOTP 20 have MLB experience in real life b) Catchers OOTP 20 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only) c) Catchers OOTP 21 have MLB experience in real life d) Catchers OOTP 21 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only) Start OOTP20, setup a historical game, I chose from the Golden Age era but I don't think it matters. Let the game be created, and save it. Do the same using the same settings in OOTP21. Save. I took no in-game actions (i.e. altered nothing, did nothing, I just looked at ratings in the games that OOTP20 and OOTP21 created). Now in these games you've set up, look at catcher ratings (I used the player editor to get the rating, to make sure it wasn't a scouting error, but the true number rating). Catchers in group d above will have higher defensive ratings than catchers from the other 3 groups. An unusual number of catchers from that group will have almost perfect defensive ability. I can think of no rationale for this, I cannot believe it was intentional, and I reproduced it on different machines with fresh installs a few times, so here you go, historical db bug issue report. For myself, I wish I could simply use whatever method converted historical stats to ratings in OOTP20 to do that for OOTP21.