What other leagues will be pulled?

[Kobeck]

my understanding, and I definatly could be wrong.

dont upgrade to 109 cause - and again my understanding - it is looking for those players and will scramble them

if your teams are fictional they should be fine if I understand it properly. This is the one that got me... all players fictional but all teams real

[SB1985]

Once *** was pulled I haven't updated or opened my game because I am unaware of what might happen. I don't play my game everyday like most people here but I have spent the last 6 months setting everything up the way I wanted it and I just didn't want to open my game and bam my fictional japanese league is filled with all south africans and then I can't change them to fictional japanese players because the country no longer exists. I play a very fictional setup besides mlb and I keep the other leagues around to have more diversity and places to get players, but I really use those leagues as a way to supplement rosters so I don't spend tons of time creating fictional rosters. My concern was that if I have to replace the real players from "that league" that I couldn't change them to fictional ones from the actual country. I also do like to include the "star" players from japan in my mlb saves but we are talking like maybe 15 players at most.

[OutS|der]

Pulling the Nippon league was a major step backwards for OOTP. For me this is the end of OOTP.

Also what's the point of having the KBO license if we have no history for that league.

The topper is it corrupts save files so I can't even import to 23 anymore. This a major disappointment.

It just ****ed up my one league I spent thousands of hours playing. This is total ****ing BS.


I'm so over this game now.

I knew Marcus selling out would be the death of OTTP but I figured we'd just be left behind for PT, not that he would destroy all our work and effort put into the game and corrupt our save games. For me this is the final straw. I'll never buy another game from the Sell out ever again.

I understood removing the league since you don't have the license for it but to remove the whole ****ing country and corrupt our save games is a step too far.

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by FleetWalker

I would think anyone making NCAA leagues should have concerns, and those concerns may extend beyond just NCAA-based leagues. The NCAA has bigger pockets even than league at issue here, and they have sued video game companies on similar issues in the past.

By doing what it did, the company has basically admitted that it believes it is liable (or at least potentially liable) for trademark and licenses violations even when it is only end users using the game engine to create leagues that use those marks. By showing that the company can take (effective?) action against users who are using those marks, the company may have establish that it IS liable if it allows other such violations to happen with its game engine.

The only real difference is that the league in question initially came with the game (which wasn't a great business decision in retrospect) whereas all aspects of an NCAA league would be homebrewed. But I'd still be concerned. This could implicate a lot of fictional leagues that simply use NCAA team names like the Manhattan Jaspers. And it might extend just to the nicknames even, because, for example, Blue Devils is so closely associated with Duke that it may simply not be allowed for any team.

There is a user recreating the European football leagues as a baseball universe. Some of those leagues have the biggest pockets there are in the sports world. What about people using NBA or NFL marks for team names?

This is a big can of worms that was opened, and I think anyone homebrewing really needs to consider using older versions of the software or a moving on to something else honestly, because there is obviously no telling when this might happen again or to what it might extend.

Great post. I have had a busy few months so I'm only aware of this as of today, and haven't updated/played my game in a bit, so I don't even know if my saves are affected. But it sets a terrible precedent, which I think is the main idea trying to be articulated by this thread

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

I disagree that this is exactly what happened... As I said, "It seems here that Konami/*** could claim that, by virtue of this data, structure, etc being included in the base game, that even a custom, fictional database could be cause for a liable claim because nearly every detail for *** was included in the base game - the rules, including ties recently, structure, etc and was usable in the fictional creation flow as a template." To me it's that Konami/*** could make a solid claim against OOTP/COM2US because of that and that they are known as the type of draconian company that would do it based on what people have shared about their dealings with Sports Interactive and others.

I.E. They have grounds, and a means to show, that it got there because OOTP provided it. What will be interesting to me is that if this sort of thing happens in OOTP24... I.E. once *** is not included in any version of the release either as a template or playable real world league, with team, player data, etc, would OOTP/COM2US still be compelled to scramble end user data - I don't think they will.

Also enjoying these posts from you as well. Thanks

[Rain King]

The game doesn't (and has never previously) come with any NCAA leagues, teams, or templates out of the box. Everything that is available for that is user generated which makes a pretty large difference legally I would imagine.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by Rain King

The game doesn't (and has never previously) come with any NCAA leagues, teams, or templates out of the box. Everything that is available for that is user generated which makes a pretty large difference legally I would imagine.

If they support those files on their forum it is the same thing as bypassing any licenses. They should be concerned.

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[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by RaUni

If they support those files on their forum it is the same thing as bypassing any licenses. They should be concerned.

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The laws are different in the US. You only need licensing if you're using likeness. So as long as they don't use ncaa logos or facegen and leave those to be released as a mod, it's not an issue

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That's not how it works. Of course we (OOTP) pay for the KBO license fully.

Since you have the KBO license does that mean we'll have full KBO history some day?

[Hageneezz]

Will older OOTP versions also be affected? If so I see no need in playing those games ever again. I am to old and have been bothered with ocd for too long to even try. No energy to keep up with this

Thanks

[tward13]

Konami is a global sponsor of the 2023 World Baseball Classic. So I guess that won't be in OOTP24?

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by tward13

Konami is a global sponsor of the 2023 World Baseball Classic. So I guess that won't be in OOTP24?

It isn't a sponsorship issue. It's a licensing issue. They are two completely separate things. Unless Konami has a game that includes the exclusive rights to the World Baseball Classic, any international tournament that resembles the WBC won't be an issue in OOTP.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

It isn't a sponsorship issue. It's a licensing issue. They are two completely separate things. Unless Konami has a game that includes the exclusive rights to the World Baseball Classic, any international tournament that resembles the WBC won't be an issue in OOTP.

Yes, but without *** the world baseball classic is now pretty much useless for many in OOTP.

[oldfatbaldguy]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

It isn't a sponsorship issue. It's a licensing issue. They are two completely separate things. Unless Konami has a game that includes the exclusive rights to the World Baseball Classic, any international tournament that resembles the WBC won't be an issue in OOTP.

Football Manager's long-standing Germany problem hasn't meant you can't have a World Cup or a European Championship in your game. But it has meant there won't be real German players in those tournaments.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by oldfatbaldguy

Football Manager's long-standing Germany problem hasn't meant you can't have a World Cup or a European Championship in your game. But it has meant there won't be real German players in those tournaments.

Right. I was only speaking to the tournament itself, not what players might or might not be in the game and able to play in the WBC.

[Brad K]

Concerning the original question "What other leagues will be pulled?" the answer is none by OOTP. However many board users are hoping for a self initiated withdrawal by the League of Conspiracy Theorists, Xenophobes, Trolls, and Idiots.

[Kobeck]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Concerning the original question "What other leagues will be pulled?" the answer is none by OOTP. However many board users are hoping for a self initiated withdrawal by the League of Conspiracy Theorists, Xenophobes, Trolls, and Idiots.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Kobeck

My gut feeling is you're gonna be wrong

Oops wrong person quoted
Meant for Brad

[Kobeck]

LOL

I was like.. I thought we were co-agitators

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

My gut feeling is you're gonna be wrong

Oops wrong person quoted
Meant for Brad

If you think more leagues will be pulled name them and explain why.