Well all I can say is I do not get these results.

See the attachment attached...

Did it 3 more times. 50's across the infields. 45 at 1B. If I turn scouting on most guys go to 45.

Tried 1972 and guess what.....it works like it's supposed to.

So, just as was reported at least a month ago, its baseball from around 1954 and earlier that's ruined.

My league comes from Steam build 56. You may be using Esellerate build 54. Steam just updates without asking so I never know what build I am on and the bug report has no mention that this issue was adjusted. It may have been fixed but not documented?

I'm on Steam, but it's 17.8 build 54. :confused:

In Build 54 I get this.... The MLB portion is just the standard. The rest are Spritze db players. Rizzuto is a 75 in 1946.

Fielding Ratings Fixed in Patch 56, out soon.

Awesome work! Thanks for the response.


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I did not see this fix on the change list for the new Beta patch.

The bug report has not been changed either but when I asked I was told it was addressed. It seems like it to me.

I started a new 1919 game with minors, and everything is back the way it was before the patch that broke major league defense. Major League defense was fixed, and the Texas Leaguers were all 50s. I understand what you said about the stats not being there. Problem is, when I access real-life fielding stats, they are there in the game. They are not on BB-Ref. Are those fielding stats not being used in the import?

Anything you see, fake (for now) stats or not are used in the game.

I don't get all 50's in my test game. I get a range from 20-60 with most players 40-55.

If absolutely every player is always a 50 you may have a challenge with your particular game setup.

BTW: You may prefer the 1-100 ratings scale to get more visible variation.

In the 1919 Texas League, players playing their principal position get numbers on a 1-100 scale of 48-51. If they're out of position, it goes down. It's not my game or my setup, which is as vanilla as it's possible to be. The game simply isn't using those stats on import.

My hypothesis, which could easily be wrong, is that the minor league database is taken straight from BB Ref and that you added the real life fielding stats showing in the game without changing the fielding fields in the database (now there's a phrase) used for import. That would explain what I'm seeing in the game. Or it could be something else. Without knowing the import formulas or the makeup of the database, I really don't know.

The Texas League outfielders briefly used the same formula as the major leagues in Patch 54, but that is back where it was. The infielders never did.

On 17.9 beta, the draft order still hasn't been corrected for the Ian Desmond signing. Should be fairly easy to fix, but it's not the standard roster-team fare.

Neither do I.

This may be a reoccurrence of an old issue concerning a players first year that was fixed a while ago. Markus said he set everybody to average on purpose then but later fixed it to use year one fielding

It could be it got either advertently or inadvertently unfixed.

I note that by 1920 these ratings get more spread and by 1921 are pretty normal.

This is a rooster team challenge.

Actually, it's a Markus thing.

Frank "the Piano Mover" Smith
 

Frank Smith imports into the game with the nickname "Nig". He was known as "the Piano Maker". Cheers!

Just wanted to say I messed around a little last night with historical/historical minors and I found Lou Gehrig. As stated before, he shows up in 1921 when you do a amateur draft league. It looks like when you have the draft turned off, he doesn't appear until 1923 and ends up where he rightly belongs as part of the Yankees. The reason I wasn't seeing him was he doesn't show up on the MLB player register until the season starts. I was checking during preseason 1923. So, he has risen......or in otherwords I was wrong.

This is pre new patch. I have Steam

One thing to note. I'm still getting an empty PCL, even when setting active minor league rosters to 25. Takes till around 1923 for the PCL to get populated.

I think I will just start in 1921 when the I finally get to load this fielding fix patch.

Changed

I have given up on the Fielding Ratings ever getting fixed and why you don't get PCL players and I do. They have both been bug reported though.

My main concern is that the MLB guys have fielding rating similar to earlier versions of the game or like the MLB guys from 1955 on. I've been playing 1974 the last few days. Played against Baltimore and Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger were both 75's. out 80. That's what I'm hoping for in this last patch.

One other thing I noticed last night. In one of the tests I set up, I forgot to disable the 40 man roster thingy. Babe Ruth ended up having a monster 1921 season and then he was picked up in the rule 5 draft by the Phillies. What a steal. That's why I've never been a fan of that 40 man roster thingy.. I even turn it off when I play modern.

I actually think what may be happening in my game is the MLB teams are signing up/hoarding/and or getting a lot of the guys that would be in the Texas League or PCL. Quite a few of the MLB teams end up with reserve rosters in the 40's and most have at least in the 30's. This might not be a bad thing in my case, because it allows me to use the "normal" injury setting.
I don't want to limit MLB reserve rosters if the sign and release bug that's been a part of OOTP and reserve rosters still is in existence. Nothing worse than seeing a team drop a stud before he even plays a game.

Like this? Is now a free agent.

Cool, you made it past Christmas day without him being released. Very cool. Sim ahead and see what happens.

He remained an unsigned free agent for a few years as I disremember.

Since he was actually in the Eastern League at the time, that's not a terrible result, as long as he continues to develop. He's not supposed to be Lou Gehrig when he's 17.

So we have players in the minor league database who weren't actually in a playable minor league at the time. I have a potential solution. Players don't enter the game until the year that they are actually on the roster in a playable league. It seems like that would solve David's problem of an empty PCL (because then they'd debut in 1921 with the correct teams), and it would also solve the Lou Gehrig problem, because he'd debut in 1923 with the Yankees from the major league database as he always did.

From what I can tell, when the draft is turned off, he does debut in 1923 as a Yankee.

This IS how it works.

Gehrig at 17 was a test to see what happened to him but he still should not go from #1 overall in a draft to released in 2 weeks.

But that's not how it works. The PCL isn't playable in 1919, but the players are in the game. If they entered the game in 1921, then they would be on the PCL rosters where they belong, and David's PCL wouldn't be empty.

OK - try this

That is how it is designed to work
That is how Markus thinks it works
That is how it used to work
That is how I wish it still worked

ONLY if they were in the major leagues or the Texas League prior to 1921. When I test this myself I always get players in the PCL, it never is devoid of players. There is in every test I have run (like 20 so far) way more than no one (0) in the PCL.

I don't think that's right, but I'll look again this weekend.

And I've done this probably 10 to 15 times myself. I get players on the Angels and every other team is empty. By 1923 I start to see roster populate.

I would love it if there was some magical selection I could make that changed this, but I'm yet to discover it.

It's beyond frustrating to try something over and over and over and not have it work. It also appears that only a few people are interested in this aspect of the game, so no one else can say they are experiencing the same issue I am. So it's Spritze, not having the issue. Me having it.

I think the fact that the Angels, a Cubs affiliate and the only team in the PCL with a parent club, gets filled with players is very telling. I should have checked, but I wonder if the Angels players are the players that actually played for the 1921 Angels.

Like I said, frustrating. Mainly due to us not being able to match up our results.

Just curious, if I start in 1918, but select the option for maintain real minors, will the Texas league appear in 1919?

I think so. See if you import any minor leaguers. I'd be curious to know.

That is what I plan to try next then. What I want to see is when the Texas League forms in 1919, will all the teams have players or only the affiliated teams.

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

Will do.

His meander with the 1914 Boston Braves could cause an issue. He also was not a career Texas Leaguer by any stretch of the imagination.

Spritze is correct. Started the 1918 test league. Clarence Kraft retired in 1914 as a Boston Brave.

Okay here goes. Created a 1918 historical league. Turned off the draft. As soon as the league formed, I selected the option to maintain historical minors. Simmed the 1918 season.

Once he season was over, the Texas League formed. At the start of the 1919 season this is the roster makeup of the Texas League teams

Beaumont 1
Dallas 0
Ft Worth 18
Galveston 1
Houston 20
San Antonio 25
Shreveport 0
Waco 27

This is the number of players the team had at the start of 1920
Beaumont 10
Dallas 1
Ft Worth 35
Galveston 4
Houston 30
San Antonio 23
Shreveport 2
Wichita Falls 15

At the start of 1921, Dallas still had 1, Galveston still had 4 and Shreveport 3

1921 Pacific Coast League
Only the Angels had players. Every other team empty.

This is after loading the patch.



Good news is every infielder in the bigs isn't a 50

Spoke too soon. Started a 1921 Historical with minors and Clarence Kraft is a member of the Fort Worth Panthers.

If you start a game from 1919-1924 Clarence is in the Detroit organization and will go where they put him.

If you start prior to 1919 he is retired and never plays in the Texas League.

Start date is very important in the historical minors.

What is the exact date you are checking your roster sizes on?

I looked at my postponed 1919 league, and you are right. It's amazing how many of those 1921 PCL players had a year or two in the majors.

Preseason, opening day and at the end of the season.

So now you have hopefully figured out for yourselves that you have two things to do when you start a game.

1) Unretire an assortment of players so the premature retirements like Clarence Kraft in 1914 do not adversely affect your game.

I usually just unretire everyone under 29, sometimes 25, sometimes 40 just depends on my mood and how many players I wish to add. I do it on the first day of the preseason. It is a 2 click process once you make a custom age filter for the retired players screen. The game will remember your choice. Don't be surprised to find 20 year olds there.

2) Run a free agent draft of how ever many rounds you wish. This allows the minor league teams to sign the players the major leagues do not want. Many of them will be the minor league players with major league experience. I usually run one or two of these drafts. One when spring training starts and another a few weeks after opening day.

You only need to do this for your inaugural year probably although since for some reason you don't get players added to your teams as often as I do you might need to run either or both of these processes more often.

These processes are necessary because with only zero, one or two minor leagues there are just not many slots for players to go to. One could also choose to release many players from the reserve MLB rosters instead of or in addition to the above.

Yay! The early 20th Century once again has MLB infielders with defensive variance! No longer does Willie Kamm get confused with Rudy York.

Thanks for fixing this!

Let me ask you this. I've decided to simply start in 1921 and forget about 1919 and 1920. Doing this has my Texas League and PCL stocked. When does the next league form? Hoping by then the league has enough players that the new league isn't empty. Or, would I be better off just starting in 1946 when I know there are tons of players?

Play the game however you wish. Start whenever you want. If you run low on players you can add more using the process outlined.