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Habsfan18 04-03-2016 08:14 PM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...aft-issue.html

Saw someone post this and I figured I'd copy it here to make sure Spritze saw it.

I'm not on my PC right now so I can't test this myself with the latest patch and historical database that Markus linked to.

boriente 04-03-2016 08:47 PM

100 year old players
 
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Hi,

I created a fictional league with 16 teams from the 20's and 30's. I chose 1927 as the era. Turned off trading, free agents, no minors etc as I just want to play a season's worth of games. Looked at the rosters and notice every player is at least 100 years old. And they do look every bit of 100 years old. I've attached a screen shot.

Any ideas? Something I did or didn't do? Bug? I'm thinking this won't affect the game play but I'm not sure.

Thanks.

actionjackson 04-03-2016 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by boriente (Post 4014799)
...I'm thinking this won't affect the game play but I'm not sure...

I'm thinking it might make for a lot of interesting injuries like broken hips and what have you. ;) :D :laugh:

Spritze 04-03-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoiles (Post 4014769)
Using the newest historical minors DB uploaded to dropbox today, it looks like the duplicate initialed players issue is still around. In a 1994 league, there's a separate J T Snow (major league stats only) and lowly rated J.T. Snow (minor league stats only), similarly major league B J Surhoff and minor league B. J. Surhoff. Though, I started a 1991 league and this issue wasn't there.

Only one J.T. Snow in the database.

Hoiles 04-03-2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze (Post 4014851)
Only one J.T. Snow in the database.

Thanks again for the response. I started another 1994 league and same duplicate Snows and Surhoffs. In a 2001 league I just started there were duplicate JT Snow, JD Drew and AJ Burnetts (with and without periods) but one BJ Surhoff this time, also one CC Sabathia,and AJ Pierzynski. Similar to before, is this a possible program importing issue?

Spritze 04-04-2016 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoiles (Post 4014879)
is this a possible program importing issue?

Possible but OOTP is supposed to ignore name differences and go by the player Id. There are a great many players with slightly different names in the old Lahman and the new BBref player databases but I hope OOTP is not trying to match names. I sent this to Markus as it was handled earlier in beta. I still have not seen this in any of my tests and I've been looking.

actionjackson 04-04-2016 03:32 PM

Thanks for the fielding upgrades in the historical database Spritze. :thumbup1: Andrelton Simmons looks like...Well, Andrelton Simmons again.

I gotta ask something though. The Real Stats Fielding Stats have had their innings updated appropriately, but not the Neutralized Stats Fielding Stats. For example, Eric Hosmer has 1354.0 Innings Played in Real Stats and 451.1 Innings Played in Neutralized Stats. Same old bugaboo with the Innings Played vs Innings Played Outs thing. Would it be possible to get that fixed in the future?

I realize it's a cosmetic issue if one is playing a straight historical in 2015 with Neutered Stats, but I would think it would be more than cosmetic if one was to play random debut with Neutered Stats (like I do). I would think it would tend to give 2015 players in a random debut incredible range and they'd make an incredible amount of errors because those totals remain the same, but they happen in one third of the innings that they really did, if you get what I mean.

Thanks for your time and efforts Sir Spritze.

Spritze 04-04-2016 03:50 PM

Fielding innings are not used in ratings because they are not real for most of baseball history although I am sure somebody somewhere I adding them up but I'll fix them neutralizationally speaking.

Done. Be in next Build.

plannine 04-04-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by plannine (Post 4002029)
Not sure if it belongs here but:

Historic Player with incorrect stats

Levi Meyerle, for the 1873 season shows him with 23 strikeouts. That is 23 too many for that season.

Still incorrect in the latest release.

actionjackson 04-04-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze (Post 4015184)
Fielding innings are not used in ratings because they are not real for most of baseball history although I am sure somebody somewhere I adding them up but I'll fix them neutralizationally speaking.

Done. Be in next Build.

Have I ever told you that you're the best? Because you are. Thanks.

actionjackson 04-04-2016 04:06 PM

What's used instead of fielding innings Spritze? Games?

Hoiles 04-04-2016 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze (Post 4014913)
Possible but OOTP is supposed to ignore name differences and go by the player Id. There are a great many players with slightly different names in the old Lahman and the new BBref player databases but I hope OOTP is not trying to match names. I sent this to Markus as it was handled earlier in beta. I still have not seen this in any of my tests and I've been looking.

Thanks, I'll report it to the bugs forum and upload the league file just in case it is a program issue

Habsfan18 04-04-2016 04:57 PM

So, with the latest patch and the database update that Markus linked to, is now a good time to start a historical game with real minors? I want to start one in say the 50's and then play into the future with the amateur draft enabled.

Is the mode now fully working as intended or should I wait a bit longer? Any more bugs being worked on?

Thanks

Spritze 04-04-2016 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by plannine (Post 4015189)
Still incorrect in the latest release.

This is zero in the database and has always been zero. I do not where the 23 comes from in your game.

Spritze 04-04-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson (Post 4015195)
What's used instead of fielding innings Spritze? Games?

Nothing that simple.

The Stats available are POS,G,TC,PO,A,E,DP,PB and Innings for Pitchers.

Many different combos are used depending on the things that the thing being rated depends on.

When real innings exist they can be used but what you see in game are mostly approximations that approximate the innings in question approximately.

bwburke94 04-04-2016 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze (Post 4015262)
This is zero in the database and has always been zero. I do not where the 23 comes from in your game.

So the database is right, but it imported wrong... I guess.

Spritze 04-04-2016 07:48 PM

I guess. Is this a new league or something that has been floating at the top of the tank for awhile?

Habsfan18 04-04-2016 08:47 PM

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Autumn_Lion 04-04-2016 09:42 PM

pstrickert, yes, you're correct, I'm using single-season replay mode. So what you're saying is that the real-life records of these teams weren't really indicative of their talent level. I guess I can buy that, though in the case of the White Sox, I think their true talent level was WORSE than their real-life record of 77-77, not BETTER. After all, they were only two years away from the massive roster purge which followed the Black Sox scandal, and the next year, 1923, they lost 85 games ... so were they really better than a 77-win team in 1922? I'm skeptical. But I'll live with it. It's not like the 1922 season is super-important to me; I'm hoping to get into a league that replays all the 1920s seasons, and testing one of the early seasons in the decade was my starting point. Anyway, thanks for your input!

scott1964 04-04-2016 09:47 PM

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I have two Jim H O'Rourke show up. One has his real life stats as his current stats (Id 217 o'rouji01) He signed on with Baltimore as 3B. The original is playing CF with Baltimore (Id 165 orourji01)


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