Is that setting on or off? The rest does not matter. You may be over thinking it.

I'll try the way you're saying, Spritze.

Noticed this as well during a stop in the sim to check on things. Something doesn't seem right. Check out those records for AA teams. And when I click on some of the AA leagues, something seems off.. I'm now in 1954.

I didn't use any weird settings. Simply simmed from 1920 with historical minors on.

The affiliated Eastern League lasted only one year. 1932

BTW my signature line is about overthinking it : It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

Good to know, thanks.

But I'm assuming it's not normal for the 1954 Binghampton Triplets to be listed with a record of 1180-1060 and the other teams in their division playing hundreds of games? lol Just seems odd.

That is a bug and was reported many moons ago. Happens with other leagues/teams as well.

Thanks Spritze. That's a pretty big bug, isn't it? So hopefully it can eventually be fixed. I haven't looked too far into it, but if minor leaguers are playing hundreds of games per season, that can't be good lol

Or are the records just being combined or something like that?

Just pulling combined. Markus has not found what triggers it as yet. I believe it reverts to normality fairly quickly.

Has anyone brought up Jim St. Vrain yet. In reality he pitched one season (1902) in the bigs at the age of 31. According to OOTP he was 19 when he pitched that season in 1902.

In the replay I'm doing (started in 1906) he was 22 when the league began. He's now 38 years old with a 232-190 record. That's good for 3rd most wins behind Walter Johnson 255 and Rube Marquard 241. Pretty good for a guy that went 4-6 for his career. So this is a bug that turned out pretty neat.

fixed. BBref and the OOTP Minor league database had his correct birthdate. Lahman did not so I just changed that one.

What I find interesting is that the info in the MLB master file takes precedence over the minor league one. I did not know that.

Not a bug, but a question and figured this would be as good a place to ask it as any other. Sounds like y'all will add the Negro League either later this year or when 18 comes out. When this occurs, will we be able to right histories wrong and simply disband the Negro League altogether and let the players be drafted into major league baseball? Just curious.

Probably. On the League screen is a check box that allows MLB teams to purchase players from the League in question. Would you also allow non-black players into the Negro Leagues?

No, I guess what I would want is an option for the Negro League to go away. The Negro League players would just sign and play in the major and minor leagues like it should have been in the first place.

You could just delete the league? I think you would need to do it every year.

The check box would make it behave like every other league though.

So it would basically become an independent league? That would be cool.

Alright, this is a strange case, especially after all my earlier issues with Los Angeles being the only team in the Pacific Coast with players. I just finished the 1921 season earlier this morning. Worked my way through the offseason to preseason. Look at the minor league rosters. All teams have full roster with varying numbers of reserves(some Texas League squads have as many as 26 on their reserve rosters. All Pacific Coast League teams are staffed as well, but have few reserve roster players. All of them except for the Angels. The Angels have 9 total players. All of them pitchers. Of course, the Angels are a Cubs affiliate. The Cubs also have the Wichita Falls team in the Texas League. Wichita has 29 total players.

Thing is, 4 teams in the bigs have 90+ players on their reserve rosters. 3 have 70+. So the players are there to be spread around they just aren't being spread around. I'm guessing the majority of the massive reserve rosters are puss n boots, so it would be cool if some of them found their way on to minor league rosters.

Wish there was a way to limit reserve rosters.......of course, I wish that to occur without the studly sign and release issues that plague reserve roster size limits.

I entered the reserve roster size issue as a bug a month or four ago.

Once MLB spring training ends / opening day happens the Angels will fill within a few days. If you want the Angels full sooner limit the MLB spring training roster size.

I never ever use spring training. But, I thought they would fill the roster by opening day as well. It didn't happen. I fast sim April and May and then watch from June 1st on. It's June 19th and they only have 8 on the team, all pitchers. Good news is the Angels have a 59-30 record, good for 1st place by 6 games, having players is overrated. Or should that be Jim Unknown is underrated?

Was anxious to see if LA would fill their roster so I fast simmed 1922. All is well in 1923. All teams are once again full.

Had to scrap my league.

Started it in 1901. Simmed to 1906, erased all history and held an inaugural draft. Then simmed from 1906 to 1918 and turned on maintain historical minors. Simmed to 1921. Played out the 1921 season. Plays some in 1922, but then fast simmed to 1923.

Then I discovered Clarence Kraft. Was checking out the Texas League leaderboards and noticed Mr Kraft was the career home run leader with 51. I was stunned, because I had looked for Mr Kraft in 1919 and 1921 and I couldn't find him. Since I fast simmed 1922, I thought, wow Kraft must have hit 51 bombs in 1922. I guessed wrong and the truth ruined the league.

You see, Kraft imported with his real life stats. Yup, even though I had OOTP simmed 1914, 1919, 1920 and played 1921 and Mr Kraft did not participate. His OOTP stats page mirrored his real life stat page right down the games he played for the Boston Braves in 1914. So Kraft was the Texas League home run leader, even though he'd yet to play a game.

So it looks like you can't start a historical league prior to 1919 if you want to use real minors.

Those HR's were hit in your game not IRL. Not imported from anything. He never hit 51 HR's IRL.

Sheesh!

Sorry, I was rambling, because I was kind of ticked. Those 51 home runs were career home runs, not a single season. Those were real life home runs added to the history of my game as if he hit them in my replay. He didn't. His OOTP stats were exactly the same as his real life stats right down to the 3 games he played in 1914 for the Boston Braves. He didn't play those games in my replay. He didn't play in 1919, 1920 or 1921. I looked for him I'm guessing he imported in 1922 with his full real history.

I wish I hadn't already erased the league in anger. I'm guessing he didn't get into a game in the OOTP 1922. From 1918-1921 Kraft had exactly 51 Texas League home runs.

Okay, I was able to reproduce the Kraft thing to a certain extent. Started a league in 1913, erased entire league history. Kraft appears just like he's supposed to in 1914. But, he never ever makes it into a big league game for the Braves. He remains on their reserve roster all the way through the 1921 season Zero OOTP Stats. Zero minor league stats. At the end of the 1921 season he shows up on the Ft Worth Panthers when the minor league import is run. Thing is, he now has OOTP stats. 3 games for the Braves in 1914(exactly true to real life) and stats for the Fort Worth Panthers for 1919 and 1920. The 1919 and 1920 OOTP stats are the exact stats he had in real life. No stats at all for 1921. If you go to the Panthers 1919 batting register and look at the total home runs it says the Panthers hit 55 home runs. Kraft is present on the register as if he played. If you go to the 1919 team totals section it shows that the Panthers hit 44 home runs. So if you add Kraft's 11 real life home runs to the 44 it equals the phony 55.

So he is reimporting. Which is cool, because he does put up some great minor league numbers. But, he is importing with his real stats as OOTP stats....sheesh:o

I am sorry the game does not work to your specifications.

Please consider OOTP 18 your chance to have the game developers create a "David Watts" mode. I am sure they could make you one if they have the time and inclination. In the meantime you may find simply not using the real minor leagues more to your liking.

Sorry I cannot be of help.

Not even sure how to respond to that. Sorry if I said the wrong thing. I will bow out of this thread for the duration. Have a happy July 4th.

This is a bug report thread not a design decision thread.

I can fix database related bugs. I can do nothing about design decisions.

Got it.

Don't know if this has been reported but after my 1955 season around Nov 1 I had two affiliates that disbanded and all the players on those teams appear to have gone into the MLB FA pool instead of staying with my organization. It looks as if the AI controlled teams had the same problem. Before Nov 1 there were 52 players in the FA pool and then jumed to over 1800 when after it imported the new minor league affiliates for the 1956 season. The only way I can continue is to edit all the players in the FA pool back into their organizations which I won't do.

I am using the latest patch and started a new game after I downloaded it.

They will only stay with your organization if there is room on the other rosters. Two affiliates means you would need 50-60 empty roster spots on the teams you have left.

I suggest the creation of an organizational reserve roster so that this doesn't happen. It would be unlimited during the offseason and would have to be empty by Opening Day. It would just be a place where these players could go so the GMs can deal with the adjustments.

That's related to this idea that the AI gets a crack at these minor leaguers before we ever see them. That really reduces organizational control in a bad way.

So this 1962 Syracuse Chiefs Statistics -- Register | Baseball-Reference.com is wrong?

It says affiliated with both the Senators AND Mets that year.

A few database/data issues
 

Not reading through 30 pages to see if it has been reported, so...

Started off with a clean file, no mods added. Importing real players, all other options left at default.

1969 Historical Season Issues
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Florida International League - should be Florida Instructional League North and show as a winter league

Florida Instructional League South is missing

New York-Pennsylvania League should be New York-Penn League, and should show SSA as the level name, not B & C.

Northern League imports as a Single A League and should be Short Season A

Appalachian League imports as a Short Season A League, but should be Rookie, and shows as B & C on the name.

Pioneer League, same issue as APPL league.

Missing League Logos
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American Association
Northern League
Western Carolinas League
Gulf Coast League

Teams that have AAA/AA combined affliations for a single farm team
================================================== ==

Kansas City Royals
Houston Astros

Though MLB has a 40-man roster limit, all the minor leagues are set to "No Limit".

Dual affiliations are not currently supported.

Leagues are broken up into 5 levels actually designated by a Levels below MLB designation. All below the A level are lumped into Level 4. Level 5 is for Instructional and Foreign leagues and is not used for much yet.

Yes, I understand about the levels and such.

I am not trying to assign a dual affiliation. Let me further explain what the issue is.

In doing a historical 1969 start, the Kansas City Royals and Houston Astros both have a minor league team listed at both the AAA and AA levels. However, the Senators also do not have a AA team (the common denominator between all three), and yet the Senators levels show up correctly.

Thus - the Omaha Royals and Oklahoma City 89ers are listed at the AA/AAA levels in the Rosters & Transactions screen, and that should not be the case.

This is a great idea! I would love to use historical minors, but the inability to maintain control over players after affiliate changes is a deal-killer. Hopefully, this suggestion will be noticed by the development team (since it is more than a database issue maybe it should have its own thread).

it should have its own thread one level up

I still do not understand. Please be specific about what teams and or leagues you feel are incorrect.

Allow me to illustrate.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/...psssgx09uz.jpg

As you can see, there are two AAA teams that show a combined AA/AAA level.

Neither KC nor Houston have AA teams (which is historically accurate), but there should be no reason for them to be showing as a combined level.

The Senators also did not have a AA team, and yet the sim correctly lists the levels as it should, no combos.

This is not a database issue. That is why I cannot find it.

It is a design decision by the game designer who designs the game as he decides.

Isn't the "AA" in the graphic above for "American Association", and not a combined level? The shorthand would match with Cocoa being in Florida State League - "FLOR"; Peninsula being in the Carolina League - "CARL"; etc.

Thou art right of course. Kudos!

You know, honestly that never crossed my mind.

That's where my confusion was, then.

Sorry to have bothered you Spritze.

I'd much rather you report an errant error or two than not report one that turns out to be real. One never knows.

Denny Mack/Frank Fleet Oddity
 

Played through entire 1871 season with no problems as Philadelphia Athletics. First game of 1872 season is vs. The St. Louis Brown Stockings. Denny Mack, the 2nd baseman, was used as the starting pitcher, and at the same time he was also playing 2nd base. Meanwhile, Frank Fleet did not pitch. For some reason his position has changed from Pitcher to 2nd base.

Both Mack and Fleet were pitchers as well as position players. In 1871 pretty much everyone was just a ballplayer. Full rosters were usually 9 to 11 players.

Yes, but, Mack was able to clone himself and play both positions in the same game...and there's only one Mack on the roster. At one point Mack was the runner on third base and was also batting at the plate.

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This does happen from time to time. Not a data issue. If you see it again zip up your league files and ftp them in to OOTP. They will be looked at.

News Flash concerning the Jim Unknowns
 

and a number of other items.

Quite a number of the AI weirdnesses reported in this thread are solved if Ghost Players are not used with Real Minors. I have not found so far that doing this adds any new weirdnesses.

Praise and Thanks to Markus for this tip!

Thanks for the help. It did happen again, on a different team. I think the problem occurs because OOTP is trying to handle playing the game with drastically reduced rosters. Im going to have to start over and come up with a new strategy. Thanks again.

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In 1871 an active roster of 15 instead of 11 and an additional 3 man reserve roster is indicated. Depends on player availability of course.