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Westheim 08-07-2021 08:49 AM

That's what you get for not winning back-to-back games in your last 15.

Also, **** Boom-Boom Diaz. And now it's bred. Great.

Doom.

Amazin69 08-07-2021 10:31 AM

My DVR refused to record the 9th inning last night (possibly out of self-defense), so I want to thank Edlose Diaz for letting me know I wasn't missing anything.

WTF was Diaz doing in there in the 8th, anyhow? it was only 2-1, what if we tied/took the lead in the 9th? Who closes then? Way to go, Boy Genius.

If you do only have 3 relievers you trust (out of 32 or however many arms in the pen), then shouldn't Lugo get the 6-out duty, not Edlose?

Or maybe you could let Stroman (5 losses in a row) pitch the 6th? He'd only thrown 91 pitches. A bit hard to complain about a lack of pitching depth when you won't let Marcus go any deeper than a toddler in floaties.

(What happened was that with 6-7-8 due up in the Mets' 6th, Boy Genius thought hee'd need to pinch-hit for Marcus, and so gave him the Handshake of Doom. Mets did get a baserunner…but Nido GIDP, erasing him, so the 9-hole didn't bat. But I guess you can't take back the Handshake, right?)

Adventures in RiSP: in the 4th, Mets load the bases with nobody out. Marcus looks at three strikes, too scared of the DP to even swing, leaving it to Nimmo…who swings at the 1st pitch and GIDP. Mets get zero runs…but only leave two men on base, thanks to that DP.

Great Moments in Metscasting: McNeil doubles to lead off the fifth. Up comes Pete, who "really gets into that!" per Gary Thorne. However, the ball does not go out…or off the wall…or reach the track…or get deep enough for McNeil to take 3rd. Talk about oversell. (Keith blames the wind, says he was fooled, too. Uh-huh.)

Dom Smith also flies out. Baez, shockingly, strikes out. Mets do not score.

Current Mets Rotation:

1. Tylor Megill??????
2. Marcus Stroman (5 losses in a row, gotta drop you)
3. The Ghost of Rich Hill
4. All-Star Taijuan "Bombs Away" Walker
5. Carlos Carrasco (can't rank higher until he goes 5+ innings)

Sheesh.

Westheim 08-07-2021 11:32 AM

Say what you want about Tylor Megill, at least he's better than his brother...

I literally don't have anything else to offer.

Magus978 08-07-2021 08:34 PM

They're finished.

If it weren't for the Nats throwing in the towel and trading literally most of their team, and the Marlins being 1, maybe 2 years away from a serious NL East push, the Mets would be a last place team right now and quite frankly, they'd absolutely deserve to be there.

BBGiovanni 08-07-2021 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim (Post 4813905)
Say what you want about Tylor Megill, at least he's better than his brother...

I literally don't have anything else to offer.

Last night was rage-inducing, today is just like another August of Metsball. It's been interesting to watch the ironies in action though, their deadline pickup starter winning yesterday and their deadline pickup reliever closing it out today. And I haven't watched the Barves in detail but they may be in 2nd by tomorrow evening.

Westheim 08-08-2021 04:52 AM

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pgjocki 08-08-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim (Post 4814066)
I made this.

Well it's the dog days of summer and since my team is out I'm watching the NL East for some excitement.

I don't think the Phillies have the arms to hold up down the stretch so I still believe it's the Mets to lose.

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Westheim 08-08-2021 01:33 PM

Man, is the sparkle off on Taijuan Walker. Ready for the dumpster.

Westheim 08-08-2021 03:48 PM

Bright sides: they lost in 2:20 and didn't leave ten bums in scoring position.

BBGiovanni 08-09-2021 09:08 AM

And now, 3 games with the Washington Vectors! Sure will be nice to feast on a bad team, just like they did with the Pirates and Marlins :rolleyes::crying::p

Nowhere Man 08-09-2021 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgjocki (Post 4814150)
Well it's the dog days of summer and since my team is out I'm watching the NL East for some excitement.

I don't think the Phillies have the arms to hold up down the stretch so I still believe it's the Mets to lose.

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I'm a Phillies fan and I don't have my hopes up for them. September is always a rough month for Philadelphia and they collapse, as has been the case for the past few years.

Amazin69 08-09-2021 06:35 PM

Solutions in 3 easy steps:

1. Fire Rojas.

Apart from the fact that the team doesn't seem to give a damn, his robotic lineup selection is a clear detriment:

• Friday, he sits Dom Smith against Kyle Gibson, because it's lefty-lefty, overlooking Dom's success against lefties.

• Saturday, he seeds the lineup with every possible lefty against Ranger Suarez (surely he should have gone to Texas in the Gibson trade?), even though he knew Suarez was unlikely to go more than three innings. I guess Boy Genius never knew how Washington won the 1924 World Series?

(Bucky Harris makes the unlikely choice of righty Curly Ogden to start Game 7. Giants manager John McGraw starts his lefty hitters, including future HoF rookie Memphis Bill Terry at 1B. Harris pulls Ogden after two hitters, bringing on lefties George Mogridge and then Firpo Marberry. McGraw holds out through two opportunities, but in the 6th, with the Giants rallying, he pulls the trigger and sends up the righthand Emil "Irish" Meusel to pinch-hit for Terry. [Moving George "Highpockets" Kelly in from LF to play 1B.]

It works in the short-term, as the Giants score 3 and take a 3-1 lead. But Harris then brings in the great Walter Johnson, and Johnson goes the rest of the way as the Senators rally and then win it in the 12th, with no left-handed Bill Terry available on the Giants bench.

Similarly, in the 1985 ALCS, Royals manager Jim Frey went to lefty relievers in the middle innings to get Toronto's Bobby Cox to dump Al Oliver and Rance Mulliniks for their righty platoon partners…only to leave Cox with an unloaded gun once RHP Dan Quisenberry came in to finish up.)

It's a completely obvious move…and Boy Genius never saw it coming,

• Sunday, Rojas the Robot again sits all his righties against RHP Zach Wheeler, never mind that JD Davis is having great success against RHP in general and Wheeler in particular.

Idiot. Fire him.

2. Fire Hugh Quattlebaum.

The Mets literally can't hit a fastball. FFS. The most basic part of hitting.

Forget about launch angle and zone coverage and working the count. Find someone who can teach the basic maxim that Rogers Hornsby, the Mets' first hitting coach, taught: HIT THE STRIKES. Look for a good pitch, likely a fastball, and hit it. On a line, back up the middle. You can adjust to the breaking balls and off-speed stuff; they're slower.

As I wrote, FFS

3. Fire Jeremy Hefner.

His sole accomplishment was bringing the Spider-Tack to help Timmy cheat his way to respectability. That's gone now. Bye-bye.

Mets starters are 4-20 in the last 52 games, with 28 no-decisions. Ridiculous.

Find a new coach who will tell the Delicate Widdle Babies "Your pitch count is 125, and I expect you to go nine innings. Seven at minimum. If you find yourself running out of gas, back off on the throttle. Change speeds, work in and out, be a PITCHER, not a thrower. No more of this 'done in the fifth inning, because six is the max anyhow and if I make it there, Skip will give me a blowjob' nonsense. It's YOUR game, go out there and win it. If you get in trouble, get out of it. Show some balls."

Don't give me sh*t about injuries; they're all getting hurt now, anyways. Don't tell me they'll walk as free agents; we've got $$$, we'll buy new ones. If they don't want to step their game, let me paraphrase Terry Collins: "In Syracuse, there's a roomful of pitchers who want to be here, and I'll find them."

If we struggle in the search for Real Pitchers, so be it. We ain't winning this way, that's for sure. I never want to hear "opener" or "bullpen game" ever again.

Great Moments in MetsCasting—Keith, on Saturday "[The NL East] will come down to September, and it's going to be a three-team race."

Really, Keith? You think Washington is going to get back in it, be able to battle the Phillies and the Braves? Huh. Stranger things have happened, I guess…

pgjocki 08-09-2021 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazin69 (Post 4814490)
Solutions in 3 easy steps:



1. Fire Rojas.



Apart from the fact that the team doesn't seem to give a damn, his robotic lineup selection is a clear detriment:



• Friday, he sits Dom Smith against Kyle Gibson, because it's lefty-lefty, overlooking Dom's success against lefties.



• Saturday, he seeds the lineup with every possible lefty against Ranger Suarez (surely he should have gone to Texas in the Gibson trade?), even though he knew Suarez was unlikely to go more than three innings. I guess Boy Genius never knew how Washington won the 1924 World Series?



(Bucky Harris makes the unlikely choice of righty Curly Ogden to start. Giants manager John McGraw starts his lefty hitters, including future HoF rookie Memphis Bill Terry at 1B. Harris pulls Ogden after two hitters, bringing on lefties George Mogridge and then Firpo Marberry. McGraw hold out through two opportunities, but in the 6th, with the Giants rallying, he pulls the trigger and sends up the righthand Emil "Irish" Meusel to pinch-hit for Terry. [Moving George "Highpockets" Kelly in from LF to play 1B.]



It works in the short-term, as the Giants score 3 and take a 3-1 lead. But Harris then brings in the great Walter Johnson, and Johnson goes the rest of the way as the Senators rally and then win it in the 12th, with no left-handed Bill Terry available on the Giants bench.



Similarly, in the 1985 ALCS, Royals manager Jim Frey went to lefty relievers in the middle innings to get Toronto's Bobby Cox to dump Al Oliver and Rance Mulliniks for their righty platoon partners…only to leave Cox with an unloaded gun once RHP Dan Quisenberry came in to finish up.)



It's a completely obvious move…and Boy Genius never saw it coming,



• Sunday, Rojas the Robot again sits all his righties against RHP Zach Wheeler, never mind that JD Davis is having great success against RHP in general and Wheeler in particular.



Idiot. Fire him.



2. Fire Hugh Quattlebaum.



The Mets literally can't hit a fastball. FFS. The most basic part of hitting.



Forget about launch angle and zone coverage and working the count. Find someone who can teach the basic maxim that Rogers Hornsby, the Mets' first hitting coach, taught: HIT THE STRIKES. Look for a good pitch, likely a fast ball, and hit it. On a line, back up the middle. You can adjust to the breaking balls and off-speed stuff; they're slower.



As I wrote, FFS



3. Fire Jeremy Hefner.



His sole accomplishment was bringing the Spider-Tack to help Timmy cheat his way to respectability. That's gone now. Bye-bye.



Mets starters are 4-20 in the last 52 games, with 28 no-decisions. Ridiculous.



Find a new coach who will tell the Delicate Widdle Babies "Your pitch count is 125, and I expect you to go nine innings. Seven at minimum. If you find yourself running out of gas, back off on the throttle. Change speeds, work in and out, be a PITCHER, not a thrower. No more of this 'done in the fifth inning, because six is the max anyhow and if I make it there, Skip will give me a blowjob' nonsense. It's YOUR game, go out there and win it. If you get in trouble, get out of it. Show some balls."



Don't give me sh*t about injuries; they're all getting hurt now, anyways. Don't tell me they'll walk as free agents; we've got $$$, we'll buy new ones. If they don't want to step their game, let me paraphrase Terry Collins: "In Syracuse, there's a roomful of pitchers who want to be here, and I'll find them."



If we struggle in the search for Real Pitchers, so be it. We ain't winning this way, that's for sure. I never want to hear "opener" or "bullpen game" ever again.



Great Moments in MetsCasting—Keith, on Saturday "[The NL East] will come down to September, and it's going to be a three-team race."



Really, Keith? You think Washington is going to get back in it, be able to battle the Phillies and the Braves? Huh. Stranger things have happened, I guess…

I love this... not because it's the Mets but because you'd have a stroke if you watched the Cardinals this year.

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Magus978 08-09-2021 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazin69 (Post 4814490)
Solutions in 3 easy steps:

1. Fire Rojas.

Apart from the fact that the team doesn't seem to give a damn, his robotic lineup selection is a clear detriment:

• Friday, he sits Dom Smith against Kyle Gibson, because it's lefty-lefty, overlooking Dom's success against lefties.

• Saturday, he seeds the lineup with every possible lefty against Ranger Suarez (surely he should have gone to Texas in the Gibson trade?), even though he knew Suarez was unlikely to go more than three innings. I guess Boy Genius never knew how Washington won the 1924 World Series?

(Bucky Harris makes the unlikely choice of righty Curly Ogden to start. Giants manager John McGraw starts his lefty hitters, including future HoF rookie Memphis Bill Terry at 1B. Harris pulls Ogden after two hitters, bringing on lefties George Mogridge and then Firpo Marberry. McGraw hold out through two opportunities, but in the 6th, with the Giants rallying, he pulls the trigger and sends up the righthand Emil "Irish" Meusel to pinch-hit for Terry. [Moving George "Highpockets" Kelly in from LF to play 1B.]

It works in the short-term, as the Giants score 3 and take a 3-1 lead. But Harris then brings in the great Walter Johnson, and Johnson goes the rest of the way as the Senators rally and then win it in the 12th, with no left-handed Bill Terry available on the Giants bench.

Similarly, in the 1985 ALCS, Royals manager Jim Frey went to lefty relievers in the middle innings to get Toronto's Bobby Cox to dump Al Oliver and Rance Mulliniks for their righty platoon partners…only to leave Cox with an unloaded gun once RHP Dan Quisenberry came in to finish up.)

It's a completely obvious move…and Boy Genius never saw it coming,

• Sunday, Rojas the Robot again sits all his righties against RHP Zach Wheeler, never mind that JD Davis is having great success against RHP in general and Wheeler in particular.

Idiot. Fire him.

2. Fire Hugh Quattlebaum.

The Mets literally can't hit a fastball. FFS. The most basic part of hitting.

Forget about launch angle and zone coverage and working the count. Find someone who can teach the basic maxim that Rogers Hornsby, the Mets' first hitting coach, taught: HIT THE STRIKES. Look for a good pitch, likely a fast ball, and hit it. On a line, back up the middle. You can adjust to the breaking balls and off-speed stuff; they're slower.

As I wrote, FFS

3. Fire Jeremy Hefner.

His sole accomplishment was bringing the Spider-Tack to help Timmy cheat his way to respectability. That's gone now. Bye-bye.

Mets starters are 4-20 in the last 52 games, with 28 no-decisions. Ridiculous.

Find a new coach who will tell the Delicate Widdle Babies "Your pitch count is 125, and I expect you to go nine innings. Seven at minimum. If you find yourself running out of gas, back off on the throttle. Change speeds, work in and out, be a PITCHER, not a thrower. No more of this 'done in the fifth inning, because six is the max anyhow and if I make it there, Skip will give me a blowjob' nonsense. It's YOUR game, go out there and win it. If you get in trouble, get out of it. Show some balls."

Don't give me sh*t about injuries; they're all getting hurt now, anyways. Don't tell me they'll walk as free agents; we've got $$$, we'll buy new ones. If they don't want to step their game, let me paraphrase Terry Collins: "In Syracuse, there's a roomful of pitchers who want to be here, and I'll find them."

If we struggle in the search for Real Pitchers, so be it. We ain't winning this way, that's for sure. I never want to hear "opener" or "bullpen game" ever again.

Great Moments in MetsCasting—Keith, on Saturday "[The NL East] will come down to September, and it's going to be a three-team race."

Really, Keith? You think Washington is going to get back in it, be able to battle the Phillies and the Braves? Huh. Stranger things have happened, I guess…

Not gonna lie I'd salivate something fierce if all of this would happen.

Westheim 08-10-2021 01:24 AM

It's not like Rojas sets the lineup on a day-to-day basis. Managers aren't allowed to do that anymore. Some smug nerd with triple-thickness glasses wearing turtlenecks in July hidden in a corner of the front office sets the lineup with his advanced algorithm crap.

You know that's the case when teams give in to the bottomless stupidity of f.e. hitting PEEEEETE second.

Amazin69 08-10-2021 09:38 AM

A correction: The Kansas City manager who out-strategized Bobby Cox in the 1985 ALCS was Dick Howser. Jim Frey was the man who took KC to the 1980 World Series (beating Howser's Yankees in the ALCS). My bad.

Frey also managed the 1984 Cubs. You can argue about having Leon Durham at 1B in the deciding NLCS Game 5, but the ball went through his legs in the 7th inning, not the 9th, so I don't know if it was a pure Buckner moment. (Cubs only led 3-2; perhaps Frey thought they might still need Leon's bat.)

Great Moments in Executive Thinking (a series):

1979: "[Nolan] Ryan only went 16-14; we can sign two guys who go 8-7 and it will be the same thing." —Buzzie Bavasi, Angels GM

Ryan leads the Astros to the NL West pennant; the Angels collapse.

1987: "The sun will rise, the sun will set, and I'll have lunch." -Red Sox GM Lou Gorman, being untroubled by Roger Clemens leaving spring training in a contract dispute.

Clemens takes his time returning (and eventually signing), the Sox start Bob Stanley on opening day, never have a chance to defend their A.L. title, and don't see the Series again for 18 years.

2019: "We're not going to pay [Zach Wheeler] for two half-seasons." —Mets GM Brodie van Wagenen.

Zach signs with the division rival Phillies, currently leading them to 1st place. Mets seem unlikely to repeat the 86-76 record of 2019 any time soon.

Well done, men! Top job!

Amazin69 08-10-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki (Post 4814573)
I love this... not because it's the Mets but because you'd have a stroke if you watched the Cardinals this year.

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I do love that John Gant for Jay Happ deal. Who knew it was 2018 again?

Guess I can throw away my cane and go to ballgames again. (I hate being gimpy…) And nobody will try to make me wear a mask. (Why should they? We've known they don't block viral particles for 100 years, FFS.)

BBGiovanni 08-11-2021 09:05 PM

Mets win! Mets win! Stop the presses,sound the horns!

Westheim 08-12-2021 03:17 AM

Mets also rained out. Nothing to see here. Please move along swiftly.

Is New York some sort of nexus where all rain clouds on the east coast now swirl through, or are they just always *home* for the bad weather?

Genuinely asking this, because that must be like the 15th game this year that is postponed or suspended.

Westheim 08-12-2021 03:56 AM

16 games, of which 13 were due to weather, and of those again 11 were in New York (including a game in South Yonkers).

April 1 - @ Gnats - Gnats have 'rona
April 3 - @ Gnats - Gnats have 'rona
April 4 - @ Gnats - Gnats have 'rona
April 11 - vs Fish - suspended for rain
April 12 - vs Phillies - rain
April 15 - vs Phillies - rain
April 16 - @ Rockies - snow
May 4 - @ Cards - rain
May 26 - vs Rockies - rain
May 28 - vs Barves - rain
May 30 - vs Barves - rain
July 2 - @ Yankees - rain
July 6 - vs Brewers - rain
July 8 - vs Pirates - rain
August 10 - vs Gnats - suspended for rain
August 11 - vs Gnats - rain

Addendum: yes, the Mets caught ALL the bad weather. The Yankees only had four postponements (three for weather). Since the teams usually are not in New York at the same time...

Yankees were rained out on May 26 (same as Mets!) and July 1 (a day before the rained out game in South Yonkers, with the Mets still in Atlanta).


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