Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here
 

Hi guys:

Please post any issues with the historical db's here. Players importing multiple times, not importing, crazy ratings, wrong stats or other stuff like this. Spritze and Bigrod will do their best to respond and to fix and issues.

Thanks for your help in making OOTP better!

Not sure if this is a database issue or a straight bug but I will cover my bases with both.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-too-high.html

Was asked to post this info here from my initial post:

https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boa...incorrect.html

I used the 2015 Texas Rangers, and once I had (finally!) loaded the game (I had it use real minor league players and real stats), the opening day rosters were quite...screwed up. Some examples (among many):

"Yu Darvish was marked retired. Not on the 60-day DL, but full-on retired.

Phil Irwin, who actually signed a minor league contract with the Rangers in the middle of the year (July 2015), was already on the team, and was slated as their #2 starter

The Rangers had not just one CL named Keone Kela, but two, and both were simultaneously at different levels of the system (MLB & AAA), and had different ratings.

I took a quick look around at a few teams and saw some similar glitches there (two versions of Devon Travis on the Blue Jays), but I must admit I'm not as familiar with those teams' rosters, so if things were equally screwy I might not have noticed there."

In addition, as I'm exploring, I'm noticing quite a few duplicate players (JP Arencibia on the 2014 Rangers twice).

Darvish will automagically return in 2016. Not really retired. That is just a temporary designation.
Irwin starts on the team right away unless you use historical transactions
Only find one Kela
2 Travis's in the MLB data downloaded from BBref. I'll leave one dead in a ditch.
Only find one Arencibia as well

When starting a game in 1994, Chipper Jones and Ron Gant both appear as free agents rather than being property of Atlanta but on the DL (Jones tore his ACL in Spring Training and Gant had a nasty spill on a dirt bike and broke his leg).

In 1962, i thought the Syracuse Chiefs were part of the Mets minors in that year?

No they were not.

Always on the ball Spritze.:D

Did a fast sim of the 1994 season. A guy named Dennys Gomez was runner up for NL rookie of the year for the Giants and an all-star at SS. In real-life he pitched 4 years in the minors and topped out at single A ball. Looking further, in addition to his minor league pitching stats, he also imported using real-life long-time SS Chris Gomez's stats. In the editor, he has both his historical minors ID's and Chris' historical ID. Chris is also in the league, and they have almost identical hitting and fielding ratings (differences may be due to development during the season). They were born 5 days apart IRL, perhaps this is the reason for the double import?

Dennys Gomez is a career minor leaguer who got promoted. It is supposed to be able to happen. He has no MLB ID in the db so I do not know where this is coming from.

Chris Gomez is a real MLB player. He does have an MLB ID.

They both have MiLB ID's but just one each.

Seeing some similar import/minors issues...

I imported 1988, seems that every player is "Caucasian" in facegen/profile.

Also noticing that Billy Jo Robidoux is in both AAA as a CF and AA as a 1B. Two different player IDs showing in the profile edit mode, but otherwise his age, name, ratings, etc are all identical.

Update: his player history/stats are NOT the same...the CF version shows his minor league stats back to '82. The 1B version in AA shows his MLB cups of coffee with the Brewers from 85-87...no minor league stats at all for him!

I think this is just how it works by default now.

It seems like an almost impossible amount of work to assign each of the 150,000+ players their actual race, especially when this may not be known for many of them.

In the past the game randomly selected races for the historical players, which ended up being even weirder as no one pretty much ever ended up having their correct race.

This way at at least the majority of players over the course of history have the correct race, even if many are still incorrect.

The 1919 Houston Buffalos are missing Curt Walker, LF, who played in the majors for several years and led off for Houston on Opening Day.
Edit: Please disregard. He got 1 AB for the Yankees, and he's over there.

Perhaps this is a program import bug instead of a db error then? Should I post this in the game bugs forum?

Nope ...if it was a bug, it should be happening for a lot more players than this. At least that's the way I see it...just let us know if you find more instances such as these..that'll be a huge help.;)
Thanks

But the 1919 Houston Buffalos really are missing their Opening Day starter, Henry (Lindy) Hiett, who went 18-15 for Houston in 1919, according to the Marshall Wright book. His batting stats are in BB-Ref, but not his pitching stats.

I have discovered that anyone who played in the majors may be hiding out on the parent team, so as a general hint, check there first.

Thanks, I'll do that. Though I suspect that Chris and Dennys' birthdays being in the same month and year may have something to do with the faulty import.

Hey guys. Great work as always but noticed a few things with 1995 historical season I started.

Guys with initials in their names like T.J. Mathews were appearing twice. One with the periods in the name and one without so you have these guys in the same bullpen for instance:

TJ Mathews
T. J. Mathews

This happened with a couple other initial guys as well but NOT B.J. Surhoff for some reason.

Also, 2 120 year old Pete O'Brien's popped up as an active players for the Cubs.

But the oddest one was Bobby Jones was on the Rockies but it was a clone of Chipper Jones. So it had Chipper's Real lifetime stats in the profile and what you'd expect from Chipper's (played 3B, not a pitcher). Obviously this made the Rockies instantly much better.

Finally the star system was kinda screwed up too. I play 1-20 (not 20-80) and the stars you see when you look at the profile would inflate guys (or deflate guys) to get them closer to 2 or 3 stars but she you clicked on Scouting Report, you'd see the real star rating. For example Ron Darling had a star rating of 2 when you hovered over his name or clicked on his profile but if you went to Scouting Report, it showed you he was a 1 (which he should be).

This has been fixed.

He is in my game in 1918 but since we only use BBref and they have no pitching record for him in 1919 he won't appear as a Pitcher. No books have been consulted in the creation of this database. "Inside of a dog it's too dark to read"

Please PT and upload the files :)

According to the Encyclopedia of Minor League Baseball—3rd Edition, in 1962 the Syracuse Chiefs were a dual-affiliation club, being affiliated with both the Washington Senators and New York Mets.

yes that is IRL true but you will notice that no split affiliations exist. They are all unaffiliated in game terms. So are affiliations that exist in the year before the MLB team plays its first franchise game. IRL and OOTPFL do not always match. Like my socks.

My point was simply that rjl518 was technically correct. (The best kind of correct!)

Historical Roster Issue
 

I am playing a historical game with the 1988 Tigers and I happened to see a player by the name of George Bonilla who won the NL Player of the Week for the San Francisco Giants. When I opened his stats, they were actually Bobby Bonilla's of the Pittsburgh Pirates. I looked up George Bonilla and he was a pitcher in the San Francisco Giants minor league system at the time. However, in the game, he is a right fielder.

This looks pretty similar to the Dennys/Chris Gomez issue I mentioned earlier. Those Giants minor leaguer pitchers sure do like stealing identities!

It turns out that Bobby and George Bonilla were born 3 days within each other, in February 1963. Maybe there's a import/merging script that needs to be adjusted?

These have been fixed

Historic Player Stats
 

Not sure if it belongs here but:

Historic Player with incorrect stats

Levi Meyerle, for the 1873 season shows him with 23 strikeouts. That is 23 too many for that season.

(corrected typo - 1873 not 63)

OOTP starts in 1871.

I imported 2002 with real minors and noticed that while Bartolo Colon and Lee Stevens were on CLE and MTL respectively, the prospects MTL traded to CLE (Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips) were already in the CLE organization.

I started a historical league with the new minor league players included option. The one thing I noticed when getting to the draft was that everyone sucked. It seems like all the hitters I looked at only had minor league stats listed under real life stats. All the major league stats for real players are gone. I did see some pitchers with both minor and major league stats under real life stats. So for instance, in the 1994 draft Hideo Nomo was the first overall pick and only had MLB stats under RL stats so he was fine. But Miguel Tejada was a 5th round pick and only had minor league stats under RL stats and really sucks. He has a 35 contact, 45 Gap, 35 power, 40 eye, and 60 avoiding K's. He is just a prime example of how all actual real MLB hitters are turning out. I can understand the guys who never made it to the Majors sucking but guys who had good or great careers suck too.

The more I look it seems that the MLB pitchers are being rated off their real stats which are being shown under RL stats and hitters off minors with no MLB stats listed under RL stats. Hope this isn't to confusing. But, basically hitters suck and pitchers are fine. Thanks!

Starting a 1947 season, the game has Joe Dimaggio as a 1st baseman (played exactly 1 game in his RL career there), and gives him no outfield ratings.

A few anomalies regarding fielding ratings in 1947:

About two-thirds of all catchers have a Def rating of 80.

No outfielder has a Def rating higher than 55 and only two have 55.

Infielder ratings are more or less okay, maybe a little high on the average.

(The rating scale I used is 20-80 of course)

Ben Zobrist is missing from the 2015 Royals Historical Exhibition team.

EDIT: He is missing when you create a custom matchup, but not when selecting to replay the 2015 World Series.

1910 Cubs - Wrong "Big Jeff" Pfeffer
 

If you replay the 1910 World Series in the historical exhibition the Chicago Cubs have the wrong Jeff Pfeffer on their roster. The Jeff Pfeffer on the roster never played for the Cubs. It was his older brother Francis who played for them that year. Both men were nicknamed "Big Jeff" confusingly.

If you start a historical game in 1910, then the correct "Big Jeff" is on the Cubs roster.

The 2004 Red Sox have two copies of Kevin Youkilis, one in the majors and one in the minors.

Fixed in build 30

Fixed in build 30

I assume build 30 is Tuesday's update and not the one released later today?

Sorry if this has already been reported, but J A Happ and J.A. Happ are being shown as 2 different players in my 2014 Jays historical test file.

Also in the same 2014 test file, a 24 year old Matt Harvey is a free agent at startup.

Fixed in builds >= 30. Pretty much all the player issues have been fixed in those builds. If you find any after that please report them here with the build number.

Is the New York-Penn League importing correctly? Tested with '80, '84 and '95 imports, the league comes in as Single-A, with a short schedule starting in April.

I believe it should be Short Season A, on par with the Northwest League.

The Midwest League imports as a Short-season league with a full 138 game schedule starting in mid-May. I believe it should be on par with the South Atlantic League, which imports as A.

I could be wrong, just wanted to point it out.

Thanks

Sorry, typo - 1873 for Levi.

Not sure where this should go, so I'll put it here...Playing random debut (now on build 17.2.31 BETA) historical with no minor leaguers, neutralized stats...Matt Harvey (NYM) in his neutralized stats has only 63.0 IP in 29 GS in 2015. Every other season looks OK, except 2014 (since it's probably based off of 2015 in part due to it being a missed season IRL). He is said to have given up 156 H, 57 ER, 18 HR, 37 BB, 188 K in those 63.0 IP. All his peripheral stats are way off as a result: 3.06 WHIP, 2.6 HR/9, 5.3 BB/9, and a phenomenal 26.9 K/9. I'm thinkin' he needs a 1 in front of that 63 to make it 163.0 IP. Once you do that, everything else will fall into place. If this is the wrong place to report this, please direct me to the right one and I'll do it. http://cdnsite7.outoftheparkdeve.net.../001_smile.gif

I'm seeing the same thing for Chase Anderson (ARI). He seems to be missing about 100 IP from his neutralized stats for 2015.
Jesse Hahn (OAK) as well...Don't know if he's missing 100 IP or not, but he's definitely missing some innings, as he has just 32.0 IP in 16 GS in 2015.
Ian Kennedy (SDP) as well. He was horribad in 2015, but not so horribad that he only threw 56.0 IP in 30 GS.
Same for Jimmy Nelson (MIL) in 2015. I'm seeing a pattern here...Pitchers in 2015 could use another look if possible.
Wily Peralta (MIL) 2015.
R J Alvarez (OAK) 2015, so it's happening to relievers as well.
Jumbo Diaz (CIN) 2015.
Jake Diekman (PHI/TEX) 2015.
Casey Fien (MIN) 2015.
Anthony Ranaudo (TEX) 2015.
C J Riefenhauser (TBR) 2015.
Sergio Romo (SFG) 2015.
Joe Blanton (KCR/PIT) 2015.
Clay Buchholz (BOS) 2015.
Jon Lester (CHC) 2015.
Xavier Cedeno (WSN/TBR) 2015.
Joba Chamberlain (DET/KCR) 2015.
Wade Davis (KCR) 2015.
Jeurys Familia (NYM) 2015.
Kyuji Fujikawa (TEX) 2015.
George Kontos (SFG) 2015.
Roman Mendez (TEX/BOS) 2015.
Kevin Quackenbush (SDP) 2015.
Fernando Rodriguez (OAK) 2015.
Dale Thayer (SDP) 2015.
Michael Tonkin (MIN) 2015.

Hitters look OK so far to my untrained (read: non Spritzeified) eyes. So in summary it's pitchers (both starters and relievers - every one I ran across in random debut was affected to some degree or another, less so if they were terribad pitchers in 2015, but all were affected) in 2015, neutralized stats, no minor leaguers (because I'm playing random debut, and as far as I know the minor league database is not compatible with RD historical). Please don't take this as some kind of hostile critique. I'm only reporting what I've seen with my admittedly untrained eyes. Thanks folks. http://cdnsite7.outoftheparkdeve.net.../001_smile.gif

I Imported the 2015 Royals into International League Ben Zobrist didn't show up and future when Importing a Team just 25 man Roster because we can load Minor League Teams fir these people.

I swapped Innouts (Lahman) and IP (BBref). We now use BBref but I need to convert their IP's to InnOuts so Markus does not need to change his formulas. Only 2015 is affected. I'll generate a new file in the morning.

In a 2010 Twins historical season, I had two versions of JJ Hardy populate. I forgot to take a screenshot, though.

Fixed a while ago. Not retroactive though. You would need to create a new game with the latest build or delete one of them.