I've lost roster control!
 

I have (and always have had) all the control settings set for me to manage the roster and reserve roster, not the AI.

Suddenly today, after (apparently) every game, the AI has moved players to my reserve and changed both my roster and my lineups even though I'm still set to do all management.

Now, I'm sitting here with guys on reserve for 14 days that I want active through nothing I've changed. HELP!!!

More weirdness...

First, it just happened again, though not with as many players. After the 4:30 CST game I had a pitcher moved to reserve and a different one called up.

Also after that game, Ichiro (who is on my active roster now because the guy I want in that spot got moved by the AI and is stuck on reserve) had (13) -- 13 in parenthesis -- beside his name like he would if he were reserved and had 13 days before he could be recalled. I've not seen that on any player on an active roster.

It feels like I accidentally checked the "Hire a drunk GM" option and can't undo it now!

This is not getting better.

Now, after every game, I have more players serving their 14 day restricted time on my reserve roster, but they've never been active!

It seems that after every game, some random(?) player gets a "(14)" beside his name.

This seems to be headed toward becoming a real problem...

Same here! My reserve player who covers several positions got moved to the reserve list. I too have complete control. Now a player who has no experience or ratings covers some of those positions. Of course I can't change the situation for 14 days. I have had a few crashes as well.
We need a fix.

I've let Markus know and he'll look into it when he gets up.

The AI changed my line-ups and depth charts as well. No control. I did change the settings to speed up the pack opening speed. I just changed it back.

Thanks Matt. It's really frustrating, seeing these unwanted roster moves and even some wonky lineup changes. I'm working around it for now by deactivating my guys on reserve as their 14-days expire, so they don't get hit with another two week break.

I'd love to get mad and really raise heck about it, but I'm like 12-3 since this started, so I guess it's possible the AI just got frustrated with my approach and decided to take things into its own hands to straighten things out...

This only happens when your team fails our safety checks for ensuring it is set up in a proper manner. So, if you have position players in your pitching staff who can't pitch, or incomplete lineups or an incomplete pitching rotation etc. the AI is forced on your team. Make sure this team is set up properly, with a 4 or 5 man rotation out of pitchers, a proper bullpen and proper lineups.

I saw a similar answer given to someone else without elaboration. What makes an improper bullpen or lineup?

I have a 5-man rotation. Always have.

I have six pitchers in the bullpen. Always have.

I have lineups set vs. both RHP and LHP with players in proper positions. Always have.

Based on your reply, the only thing I can *guess* is that leaving relievers with unspecified roles might be the issue. I have tried removing roles from pitchers in my bullpen because I got tired of seeing my closer pitch the 9th inning of a tie game and wanted to experiment with other pitchers in late-game situations. It doesn't seem like a "bullpen by committee" approach should cause this though.

That also does nothing to explain why players on my reserve roster who have never been on my active roster suddenly got that "(14)" stuck on them.

There's something more going on. I'll be happy to help you figure this out if you need more info from me.

I think the reason guys you never put on your team get the cool down is because the AI just adds the highest rated players off your reserve roster until it meets whatever threshold it thinks is correct.

Can't be that simple. All afternoon/evening yesterday I had one random player get the "(14)" after every game. Sometimes high rated, sometimes low rated, and always one per game.

I also had Ichiro get the "(14)" while he was active. It counted down like it would on reserve, and I could put him in my lineup, but the AI always changed my lineup when the game was played, so I don't think he ever saw action.

This happened to me too. Came in this morning to see my lineup and rotation completely changed. All of my lineups and rotations were perfectly fine as well. I have 5 starters strict, 6 bullpen. The only backup player who doesn't have a rating is I have Tony Pena Sr (C only) as my backup 1B. The game sent down my starting left fielder and brought up a backup 1B as well as a crappy reliever.

Did you make any team changes before closing the game when this happened? If so, maybe the changes didn't all get submitted?

No changes on my team. It was cruising along at .700+

Following up...

I set everybody in my bullpen to middle relief/normal usage, with no secondary roles, and everything appears to be behaving today.

I'm starting to think leaving relievers' roles as "None specified" is the problem. Do the safety checks require relief roles?

This is cool and all.. making sure teams have rosters in place that make sense.. but I'm running a pre 1940 team and only having 8 or so pitchers active was normal and the stamina ratings reflect this and it works this way. So this "safety check" is a bit frustrating.

There is one more thing. The AI is not following the lineup card and yes the graph depth chart is correct. What I mean is the exact order. The AI is changing the order from what I decided it should be. And yes, I should be in complete control.

Im really tired of the game deciding how my lineups and pitching should look like and then I have to fix it every day... Please fix this


Im not sure how many games I might have lost due to this but.. dang

The problem has stopped for me since I started making sure every single pitcher in my bullpen has an assigned role.

I can *kind of* accept that maybe the AI took over for that reason. (Not to say it SHOULD have, just that it did.) But even with that, I still don't get the driver behind putting a player on a 14-day break every game, or how Ichiro stayed on my active roster during his two weeks off.

Right now I have a 6 man rotation (which I will probably change back to a 5 man once I organize stuff) and 3 relievers set to middle relief so I have more control of their usage.

Curt Davis - Stamina 97
Red Faber - Stamina 111
Burleigh Grimes - Stamina 111
Carl Hubbell - Stamina 111
Joe McGinnity - Stamina 111
Cy Young - Stamina 111

These guys can pitch complete games easily so the 3 relievers are really only if they need to be hooked for whatever reason. So, as I did with no issue in beta, I would really like to run my team with 8 pitchers and 17 hitters. Yes it seems like a crazy number in todays game but I wanted to do something different and I thought these options would be available in perfect team.



Also...
I went to the championship in beta with this setup and, considering the competition in my league now, am 59-51 (without counting how many games I lost because the game decided that I needed more pitchers and put some iron guys into my rotation).

The security checks are used to prevent people from exploiting the game. Its unfortunate that we need to have them there, but they are necessary.

How many pitchers do you need in the bullpen?

I'm running with 6 right now and everything is fine. Thinking of dropping down to 5. Most of the bullpen are starters so have lots of stamina.

Note: Have a 5 man starting rotation.

I understand that, though I dont know what exploits people found during beta that you guys are preventing, but there must be a way to prevent those while still allowing people the freedom to design a team the way they want.

Being forced to have a 4-5 man rotation and 5 relievers (1 closer, 2 setup, 2 MR) (I think that was what the game was doing) doesnt seem to be neccessary. If you are going to force people to have these requirements it probably should have been stated somewhere instead of us waking up in the morning to find things changed suddenly.

I'm only 1 out of however many users you have registered now but my real enjoyment was creating a dead ball era esque team and competing against all these modern era team styles and players. The change to using this safety check has ruined that and makes me want to chalk everything I've spent and invested into this game mode as a loss and move on.

FYI you need at least 20 guys on the active roster, 4 starters, 7 guys in each lineup, and 4 relievers (or 4 guys with reliever roles set). Markus may decide to change those limits in the future, but especially with the talent of teams, less than that won't work, even if all your starters have max stamina.

This needed to be stated when the change was made because now I know how to fix the issue.

I said this in discord but wanted to repeat it here. Please update the FAQ with this information or post it somewhere where it is able to be seen by all (not everyone is going to browse the bug threads). I am probably not the only one that has had this issue and there will probably be more in the future that will need to know.

Thank you very much for stating this clearly. I'd humbly suggest that this be added to the FAQ, and if these limits are adjusted in the future (and I believe they need to be to allow deadball era players, who are not exploiting the game, to have fun), an announcement is made. If this restrictions must be, so be it, but it'll go down a lot smoother with the community if it's not a change made in secret where we can't tell if it's a bug or not.

I've had the same lineup the whole time, with no gaps in relievers or roles not set, and this has happened to me. I've come back with some of my best performing players on 14 day cooldown. Very frustrating as it made my team, who was already on a terrible run going from 1st (at .600) in the division to 2nd, to an even worse run with barely scratching .500 and falling into 3rd place as it happened while I was away for the day.

Matt or Markus is there anything else besides 4 guys with relievers roles set? My pitching staff got moved around again to closer, 2 SU, and it removed the starters I also had set to play in relief. Its a 5 man rotation so there are enough starters.

It also reorganized my lineups again even though those are very normal.

I'm having the same issue and I've always had a 5 man rotation, 6 relievers, fully set lineups vs left and right... the last 2 sims i've tried to add some new players (just upgrading less talented players with more talented ones), and its reset my changes both times, and actually reduced my team from a full 25 man roster down to 23. It put a few of the 80+ gold players I put into my team on my inactive list even. There is no logical explanation for this.

Edit: My changes were saved this latest sim. All I did differently was close out of PT to force a save, and then log out and log back in.

The game is not playing the lineup I select. Both the regular lineup and the 7 day lineups are being ignored. I have 5 SP, 7RP, 5IF. 2C and 6OF and 7 reserve players.

Security checks on line-up changes, my eye- BS, and my roster was just fine. The AI make changes when it wants to. I spent money on this game, PT, but no more! I am done with further purchases now and in the future! Live and learn No control, Humans first! The AI needs the Terminator.

By the way the program still crashes at times in the auction section. And how come I get bid errors every now and them. That must be a security check too! LOL

Make sure you update to the latest version, and check your AI settings in the profile & settings tab of the PT home screen. If the settings are fine, the AI will not touch your team unless it absolutely has to.

No Markus, Your Game has a problem and your refuse to listen! I am updated and my settings are fine. For example, I have a batter set to hit 7th, hitting 200, and the AI puts him at 4th, maybe because of ratings! The hitter who should hit 4th, hitting over 300, gets moved down to 7th,hitting. this happen every now and then causes potential a loss. The higher rated player is not as good, performance wise, as the lower rated player which is why I bat him 4th. But the AI thinks it knows better without consulting stats even. Note this happened last season too but not during beta. You should listen to people rather than hold on to perceptions of what should be rather than what is happening; that is not reality.

Houston we have a problem! LOL

I have noticed when a guy is tired and your backup replaces him for the next game, the AI will alter the lineup. Sometimes drastically. I have all my reserves to play "only when starter is tired" but if you have some backups that are set to play "every 3rd start" or something, then the AI may be altering the lineups on those days as well. I don't know if this was intended by the developers, but it for sure happens.

I just got home and all kinds of roster moves have been made! My team had everything set up properly as it has since beta. Something is not right.

After seeing this mess, I downloaded and installed latest version. I'll have to wait for a couple of my starters to finish time after being put on reserve. Eventually the team will be set back up as it was before, there was nothing wrong with it. We will see what happens. :unsure:

After going through and reading everything...this is just insane. My team WAS fine! 5 man starting rotation (ALL pitchers)...7 relievers (ALL pitchers) with roles SPECIFIED...both lineups FILLED with positions players at their PROPER positions. THIS is BS.


Now I have ONE backup shortstop that was EXHAUSTED because my starter was put on reserve!


Don't tell me I had something funky with my team when I didn't!

Message Addendum (next day): ok, that really happened. There was nothing wrong with my roster. At first I thought someone hacked my account, so I changed my password, but I realized if that happened they would have done far worse. Here is my question, so if AI took control of my team why did it leave me with ONE shortstop?

Sorry, for venting as I did last night but I was really upset because I can’t check my team throughout the day. There is a bug somewhere here, my team was very appropriately set up.

Do you leave the game open/running when you are not actively playing?

Are you sure roster control is set to you?

1. No.
2. Always has been and one of first settings I did before first beta season. I checked after coming upon this mess and confirmed that it still was.

Thanks for trying to help.

this ishappening to me i update to make sure it right everything but it keep sending my players down

I'm having this same issue..

I like to micromanage and use tons of different players but the AI is overriding me and setting its own lineups and sending down the players I want to use immediately upon the next simulation. I wasn't having any issues like this until yesterday. I was extremely addicted and now I'm extremely frustrated. Thanks

I just want to add that it's possible I made a mistake each time and left a lineup spot open.. I apologize if that's the case. It would be preferable to me if the AI made changes from only the active roster if that does occur though.

I'm set to complete control. I have a full team and plenty on the reserve roster. The AI decided to move 3 players to inactive:
SP Patrick Corbin (Started 24-Apr & 29-Apr)
RP Dellin Betances (Played 1-May & 2-May)
Scrub Dominic Smith (from Reserve) - Will not play
Robbie Erlin was moved from active to reserve and the 14 day counter started on 3-May

It was playing the team with 22 on the active roster. It didn't move any reserves to fill the spot.

These are 3 of my newer players. It looks like the server didn't think I should be able to use them, so it made them inactive.

Listen to the people! They are trying to tell you something!

The only way the AI would take over control of your roster is if you delegate it to them, or there was a problem importing it (which shouldn't happen unless if you're maybe on a much earlier version of the game), or if you have an invalid roster, which is less than 20 players, less than 7 in either lineup, or less than 4 people each starting and in the bullpen (with the starter check obviously not being done in the playoffs, so that you can run a shorter rotation in the WC game or a shorter series). We'll look at more logging that we can do on our end to see what might be going on.

The other thing I can think of is that sometimes, if you have used other methods to avoid the 14-day roster restriction (ie. you set a card inactive, and then went to reactivate them and they moved directly to your main roster), then the server knows about that, and will move them down to your reserve roster so that they can fill the time there. So for anyone here complaining about certain players being moved to the reserve roster, that's quite possibly what happened there. This could also happen if you went to auction a player from your lineup, when they return they'll need to spend the 14 days on the farm before you can re-insert them.

Thanks for replying Matt, none of the things you mentioned as causing this issue applies in my situation. If you have a log indicating activity showing I erred I will be glad to eat crow.

thanks for the clarifications Matt, it's possible I may have taken someone from the AH to put on my roster without realizing I was breaking the 14-day rule. I haven't had this issue so far today and will be more mindful of my lineup settings in the future.

I hadn't changed my roster today. I got Corbin the AH last night (8:36PM). I got Betances last night at 9:02 and then added both of them to the active roster. Dominic Smith was in a pack that I bought at 00:45 this morning. I failed to sell him off.


I believe I added Erlin to the active roster when I made the other 2 pitching changes.


It appears the 3 newest active additions to the entire team were set to inactive. Erlin has been on my team, so it just moved him to the reserve roster. The AI didn't replace the 3 pitchers, so I had 4 (tired) starters and 5 relievers.


The reason I had 23 active players is that Dominic Smith was added to my team as a left fielder. Erlin was moved to the reserve roster so his 14 day countdown started 6 game days before I noticed the issue.


It seem like between 2-May and 4-May in the game, these new players failed a check so the server didn't think I had them and they were removed. It probably wasn't the AI because the AI would have replaced them with 'better' players. Since Corbin and Betances were my highest rated reserves, the AI couldn't replace them with anyone with a better rating.

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My game demoted and re promoted George Brett / Scott Rolen respectively

At 10PM EST sim i had Brett in Majors and Rolen in Minors with (14), after i download 10:30PM EST sim i got Brett inactive, and Rolen on main roster with (12) next to it. Game wont play him i am guessing cause of the reserve days.