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asrivkin 09-20-2020 03:26 PM

Some Jazz-Age Ballparks
 
Hi, all. I've been playing OOTP since March (after playing various dice and baseball games on and off since the 80's). I've got two leagues going, which (if I get brave enough) I'll talk more about in some other thread. In any case, after seeing (and using!) the amazing work folks on this message board have done with new stadiums and after watching the YouTube video series by Silvam14 I thought I'd give back by posting the stadiums I've been working on.

Fair warning--I'm a noob. :) I wasn't planning to do any of this, but decided it would be a good pandemic project. So as a disclaimer for all of the stadia:

1) I'm not a real detail-oriented kind of guy, even when I'm trying to be.
2) I'm not an artist or graphics kind of guy either, though I do have experience with some image processing kinds of things
3) I only downloaded Sketchup a bit over a month ago, and while I've been coming up the learning curve on it I'm still far, far from expert.
4) I've borrowed a lot from other stadiums that other folks have made, and also from the 3D Warehouse. So, again, thanks to all. Parts of Exposition Stadium in particular appear a lot. :)
5) I do research for a living, and have been working from various maps and info that I can find. But as I'm sure many/most of you know, there's very little info for some of these parks. So in some cases I've improvised. I'll try to include that info in the posts.

I'll put one ballpark per post in my next posts. The ones I have done so far are:

--Baltimore's Terrapin Park (aka Oriole Park (V)) circa 1915
--Newark's Wiednmayer's Park circa 1915
--Buffalo's Olympic Park (a bit of a hybrid with Offermann Park)
--Kansas City's Gordon and Koppel Park circa 1915
--Indianapolis' West Washington St. Park circa 1915-1920 (I think)

It's been kind of fun to do these, so I'll probably keep doing them, and if they're useful I'm happy to keep posting them...

Edited to add: Here's a link to the whole folder. In addition to the parks mentioned above the drive (and the thread) contains (as of 3 May 2021):
--Heinemann/Pelican Park in New Orleans circa late 1920s
--Parkway Field in Louisville in kind of a general 20s/30s era
--Plant Field in Tampa, late 1910s
--Whittington Park in Hot Springs, Arkansas, mid-late 1910s
--Durkee Park in Jacksonville, shooting for late 1910s
--Katy Park in Waco, 1920s
--Almendares Park I in Havana, early 1910s
--Gimnasio Escolar in Santo Domingo, late 1910s
--Elysian Grove in Tucson, 1910s
--Red Elm/Elmwood/Russwood Park in Memphis, 1910s
--Mo'ili'ili Park in Honolulu, 1910s.


Some of the zip files for parks in this thread did not include Day/Night images. You can find links to the relevant missing pieces in this post: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...&postcount=266

asrivkin 09-20-2020 11:23 PM

Terrapin Park
 
OK! Terrapin Park was in use for 30 years by the Federal League and the minor league Orioles before it went up in flames in 1944. The two images below, representing the field as it looked near its start, was what I tried to match.

(Sorry these images are giant--I have no idea how to shrink them...)

https://i.imgur.com/ATwzoc5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6hf4yP9.jpg

I put a ton of buildings in, had trouble getting the OBJ file to output, and simplified things greatly to make it a bit more manageable. Still, it takes up a lot of disk space--hopefully I'm getting better about that. Here's how the field looks:
https://i.imgur.com/SQTaAi4.png
I decided I really wanted to keep the church across the way and the greenhouse that the Sanborn Map says was next-door, plus a few houses...

You can grab a zip file with everything in it here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LzY...ew?usp=sharing

Let me know if there are any issues, and I'll see if I can tackle them. I did an in-game test for a few innings and it seemed OK.

silvam14 09-21-2020 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4694686)
OK! Terrapin Park was in use for 30 years by the Federal League and the minor league Orioles before it went up in flames in 1944. The two images below, representing the field as it looked near its start, was what I tried to match.

(Sorry these images are giant--I have no idea how to shrink them...)

https://i.imgur.com/ATwzoc5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6hf4yP9.jpg

I put a ton of buildings in, had trouble getting the OBJ file to output, and simplified things greatly to make it a bit more manageable. Still, it takes up a lot of disk space--hopefully I'm getting better about that. Here's how the field looks:
https://i.imgur.com/SQTaAi4.png
I decided I really wanted to keep the church across the way and the greenhouse that the Sanborn Map says was next-door, plus a few houses...

You can grab a zip file with everything in it here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LzY...ew?usp=sharing

Let me know if there are any issues, and I'll see if I can tackle them. I did an in-game test for a few innings and it seemed OK.


Great work!


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joefromchicago 09-21-2020 09:47 AM

Good work! The Sanborn maps are an excellent resource for stadiums of this era. The one that shows Terrapin Park is especially good.

One interesting factoid: the Terrapins built their stadium directly across the street from the ballpark that was used by the International League's Baltimore Orioles. That stadium was, in turn, originally built for the American League Orioles and used by them during the 1901-02 seasons. After the FL disbanded, the Orioles moved across the street into the newly renamed Oriole Park, where they played until a 1944 fire destroyed the stadium. The Baltimore Elite Giants of the Negro American League played home games there as well. So if you need photographs of the stadium and find that there aren't many of the FL Terrapins, you could probably use photos of the minor-league Orioles playing at home - it's the same stadium.

asrivkin 09-21-2020 10:14 PM

Wiedenmayer's Park
 
OK, second is Wiedenmayer's Park in Newark. This was the park that the Newark Peppers of the Federal League wanted to play in, but the International League team held the lease so the Peppers were forced to get a new field built in nearby Harrison. I went back and forth a lot about which of those two parks to try, before settling on Wiedenmayer's since there was more photographic material to work from.

https://i.imgur.com/hmfROdI.png
https://i.imgur.com/XhPbcnh.png

I let myself be a bit more creative with this park. I figured nobody would see the "Hetzel's" sign on the side of the grandstand so I moved it to be a billboard. Another photo has a giant cow and I couldn't tell what the cow was advertising, so I made it a Carnation ad (I now think it was a Bull Durham tobacco ad, but oh well). I enclosed the park and put in ticket booths (which nobody will see). There's an article on the SABR website about the park (https://sabr.org/bioproj/park/wieden...ark-newark-nj/) that mentioned women's restrooms being a perk that they advertised so I put those in (which nobody will see). I also put in a scoreboard (which people will see).

Here's a view of the park:
https://i.imgur.com/MYMBL1e.png

It was also the first park where I brought in the fences compared to the real-life version--I simply wasn't sure how OOTP would handle it, since I think the home run rate in the real 1910s would have been up in that park since once something got past an outfielder it was a lot easier to run forever, but obviously the algorithms think that home runs would be way down. So I brought them in rather than try and wrestle with that problem.

Enjoy!

joefromchicago 09-22-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4694989)
OK, second is Wiedenmayer's Park in Newark. This was the park that the Newark Peppers of the Federal League wanted to play in, but the International League team held the lease so the Peppers were forced to get a new field built in nearby Harrison. I went back and forth a lot about which of those two parks to try, before settling on Wiedenmayer's since there was more photographic material to work from.

Love that first photo. Do you know when it was taken? I'm always on the lookout for game photos that show a lone umpire taking a position behind the pitcher. In this case, the ump is there because there's a runner on second. It's what I would do when I worked solo umpiring little league games.

asrivkin 09-22-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago (Post 4695083)
Love that first photo. Do you know when it was taken? I'm always on the lookout for game photos that show a lone umpire taking a position behind the pitcher. In this case, the ump is there because there's a runner on second. It's what I would do when I worked solo umpiring little league games.

There's a Twitter account that claims it's from 1912. Some sites claim it's Harrison Park, but there are other pictures from Wiedenmayer's Park that have some features in common so I think it's pretty clearly from Wiednemayer's Park.

joefromchicago 09-22-2020 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4695235)
There's a Twitter account that claims it's from 1912. Some sites claim it's Harrison Park, but there are other pictures from Wiedenmayer's Park that have some features in common so I think it's pretty clearly from Wiednemayer's Park.

I believe you are correct. As far as I can figure, Harrison Park was situated in an industrial area with the Passaic River beyond the left field fence and part of the Otis Elevator factory beyond the right field fence. The photo you posted, however, is more rustic. That fits with Wiedenmeyer's Park, which was located in what was then the outskirts of Newark. The 1908-09 Sanborn map shows a dye works behind the third base bleachers (that's probably the factory clearly shown in the second photo) but nothing of much interest beyond the outfield walls. The buildings past the left field wall are probably the paint sheds shown on the Sanborn map. The site is now occupied by a FedEx facility and a concrete company.

Another interesting thing about that photo is that there appears to be a rudimentary attempt at providing a hitter's background by painting the center field fence a dark gray or black.

asrivkin 09-24-2020 10:09 PM

Wiedenmayer's Park file
 
I see I've forgotten to post the actual link! Here's where you can download the park: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1luU...ew?usp=sharing

Note that there may have either been wine involved in forgetting to post the link, or perhaps in posting it twice if I did already post it, or both. :)

asrivkin 09-24-2020 10:17 PM

Olympic Park, Buffalo
 
This was the wooden ballpark that pre-dated Offermann Stadium. Once again, I went with the park that had more information available, so the Federal League park misses out... This park also went by "Buffalo Baseball Park". Offermann Stadium was built in the same spot, I eventually plan to make a separate version of that ballpark, too.

https://i.imgur.com/2nrVvBK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/m00S89J.png
https://i.imgur.com/lqM9dAN.png

Here's the file with everything: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sqI...ew?usp=sharing

Enjoy!

asrivkin 09-30-2020 09:21 AM

Gordon and Koppel Park, Kansas City
 
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This was the home of the Federal League's Packers, and the first ballpark I put a background on. There are only a small number of pictures of the park, so I did a bit of extrapolation (and claim a bit of artistic license) along with some research using the Sanborn map and various other online resources about the area at that time. The scoreboard reflects the league I made the park for (the FL Packers and Peppers got absorbed into the AL, the Blues and Terrapins into the NL), but hopefully anyone who might use this park either won't mind or can change it. :)

Here's a zip file with everything (warning--it's pretty big, over 120 Mb...): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pou...ew?usp=sharing

Ty Cobb 09-30-2020 01:04 PM

Looks like nice additions to the collection! Question: jazz music as you play and design as well? I've often got Duke or Glenn Miller of John Sheridan or the Count rolling as I do my gaming, and would like to feel like I'm not the only one pleasantly trapped in the Jazz Age.

asrivkin 10-02-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb (Post 4697753)
Looks like nice additions to the collection! Question: jazz music as you play and design as well? I've often got Duke or Glenn Miller of John Sheridan or the Count rolling as I do my gaming, and would like to feel like I'm not the only one pleasantly trapped in the Jazz Age.

My taste in music is eclectic to the point that an ex-girlfriend told me it was the equivalent of having no taste at all. ;) But I definitely put on that stuff from time to time (I love Bing!) and made a playlist of 20s-era hits years ago that I enjoy. I'm musing about putting "Buffalo Gals" (or other period-appropriate music) in as ballpark music for Olympic Park. ;)

Ty Cobb 10-02-2020 08:44 PM

Great to hear! I was in Nirvana this summer when I scored a free 125 cd freebie of jazz & swing & dixie cd’s from Craigslist. All my parks in the upcoming Mitten League are likely to feature some.

asrivkin 10-14-2020 04:04 PM

West Washington Street Park, Indianapolis
 
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Next up!

This was the home of the Indianapolis Indians of the American Association from 1905 to 1931 and also home of the Indianapolis ABCs. There are some amazing panoramas from the mid 1910s that are available online that helped significantly with making the interior.

The background looks a bit like an industrial hellscape, but the period photos suggest that might not be inapt...


Google Drive link to zip file

Edited 11 April 2025, updated file to remove slope from field

asrivkin 10-21-2020 06:47 PM

Pelican Park/Heinemann Park
 
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The New Orleans Pelicans played in Heinemann Park (also called Pelican Park) from 1915 to 1957. There was lots of great info and pictures online, including this article on the SABR website and a PDF summarizing the history of the park.

Updated v1.2 of the Pelican Stadium file, which should actually work for crying out loud

I ended up shooting for a late-20s appearance, at least in terms of the grandstands and seating. I did a bit of a nod to the neighborhood around, including putting in a canal, railroads, and a filling station right next to the park, but I was going for look-and-feel rather than exact work. Given the amazing work done by so many of the modders I'm a bit embarrassed to post all of this, but I figure maybe I'm giving hope to the newbies. :)

asrivkin 11-01-2020 12:04 PM

Parkway Field, Louisville
 
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Happy November!

Here's my attempt at Parkway Field in Louisville. Once again, I was shooting for a mid-late 1920s version, once again I inevitably incorporated later elements. I imported the grain elevator/mill/silos from 3D Warehouse, so they're not as good a match as they could be. I also ran into a conundrum in that I can't seem to reconcile the street layout, the field dimensions that are out there, and the photos. Given that the claimed 500+ foot distance to the deepest part of the park was later found to be off by 20 feet or more, I'm trying not to sweat it too much. :) The park factors are based on the Sketchup dimensions, not the published ones, but obviously you can go ahead and put in other numbers as you prefer!

Google Drive link for Parkway Field



I'd put my solo OOTP league on hold to make the parks I needed for the 1916 season (Baltimore/KC/Newark/Buffalo), and figured I'd stay on hiatus and make a few more parks until the MLB season ended. My short-term plan is to make a few period-appropriate Spring Training parks for my league (Hot Springs, Jacksonville, Waco?) and then I imagine my pace may slow. But I do plan eventually to get to unmodeled parks in that my league could expand to in the late 20s/early 30s: Minneapolis, Toronto, Montreal, maybe a few others.

asrivkin 12-05-2020 03:05 PM

Spring Training Park #1: Tampa's Plant Field
 
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Hi all!

I figured I'd make some era-appropriate Spring Training fields for my upcoming 1916 season, and thought I'd post them in case anyone else was interested. As with the others in this thread, I'm using whatever documentation I have, but there isn't a whole lot and I'm not being slavish to it. And while I think I'm getting better at Sketchup, I would hardly say I'm actually "good". ;)

To start, here's Plant Field in Tampa. It was built next to the Tampa Bay Hotel, which I stuck in a photo of as a backdrop (among others). It was also built inside of a race track (with the original grandstand clearly centered on the finish line rather than home plate), and there's a second diamond, which is in the aerial photos (and the model) but I don't think dates back to the start.

The Cubs, Red Sox, and Senators all trained here prior to 1930, with the Reds training here for nearly a quarter-century starting in 1930.

Google Drive Link

asrivkin 12-20-2020 03:59 PM

Spring Training Park #2: Whittington Park in Hot Springs
 
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Second in this mini-series is Whittington Park in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Several teams did their spring training here in the first decades of the 20th century, including the Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, Tigers, Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox. This was a fun one to do--there was decent photo documentation, though as usual it contradicts some of the Sanborn map info either because the map is wrong or due to changes with time. There was an amusement park next door, which I included--the carousel is on the spot where the Sanborn map places one, though there are no photos with it. Across the street was an ostrich farm and an alligator park, the latter of which Babe Ruth hit a home run into. Both of those attractions made it into the 3D model (though I imagined what they might look like rather than modeled reality). I also put in topography for the first time, which might have been overkill but I thought I'd try it out. I was shooting for the 1910s, it's probably an amalagam of early and late in that decade.

Here's the zip file with the ballpark.

asrivkin 01-02-2021 08:00 PM

Durkee Park, Jacksonville
 
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Happy New Year!

Today I'm posting the next of the 1910s/1920s-era Spring Training parks I've been working on. As with the others, it's a bit of an amalgam of different eras when necessary. This is Durkee Park in Jacksonville, which has gone through several incarnations but still stands today (sort of): Digital Ballparks link. It's a historic structure, and the paperwork filed for it with the National Park Service is available online, which helped to understand what was there in the 1930s but not necessarily what was there in the 1910s. There is an insurance map, but in a familiar refrain it's hard to reconcile all the information I have. So, the appearance is mostly the 1930s-era structure, in wood rather than concrete, tweaked where possible to more consistent with the descriptions I have of it in the 1910s (like the bleachers along the 3rd base line. It unfortunately came out a bit generic, I think, but it should be more or less correct.

Next up, Katy Park in Waco, then Almendares Park I in Havana, then a break to actually play the game. :)

Link to Google Drive for Durkee Park

twins_34 01-07-2021 03:12 PM

What program are you using to do your parks? I have never messed with doing 3d stuff but it might be fun to try and learn.

asrivkin 01-10-2021 03:51 PM

I've been using Sketchup Make, which is what is used in all the great park-making tutorials people have posted here. It's an older version--I think the newest version is online-only? It keeps reminding me that it's old, but it doesn't seem to actually affect any functionality. The learning curve was a bit steep, but making the parks has been an engaging way to pass the pandemic...

asrivkin 01-14-2021 01:15 PM

Katy Park
 
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Next up is Waco's Katy Park, built in 1905, used by the White Sox occasionally for spring training prior to 1920. Unlike Jacksonville, this one had a lot of character, and I had a lot of fun making it. As with many of the others, finding photos from the time frame I'm trying to model was a bit of a challenge, so I'm again certain that it has some anachronistic elements. Hopefully it'll be of use/interest! Next up is Havana's Almendares Park.

Google Drive link

Ty Cobb 01-16-2021 11:41 AM

Consider the Thanks button pressed!

asrivkin 01-29-2021 11:06 AM

Almendares Park I
 
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Hello all!

Next up for use in your 1910s Spring Training Tours is the pride of Havana, Almendares Park. This is the first park by that name, it was replaced in 1916 or so by another Almendares Park not far away. This was the the site of several early MLB tours, including Ty Cobb's Tigers and a Philadelphia Athletics team. It also hosted some early Black ballplayers before the first recognized Negro League teams played. It also hosted college football, of all things.

The view from the usual high-behind-home-plate position isn't particularly inspiring--the field was by all accounts gigantic in all directions. I did the park factors based on a simplistic comparison of 1B/2B/3B/HR per at bat from the Seamheads database and it seems like outfielders played deep to keep things from going over their heads, and successfully cut down on extra base hits at the expense of a lot of singles dropping in in front of them.

The park itself had multi-story pavilions rather than grandstands in places, which look amazing in some paintings I've seen. That's where most of the visual interest in this park is, though I also put in one of the old forts way out past right field since I think it would have been visible. I tried to give something of a flavor of the setting, using some likely-looking street scenes from Havana for the surrounding area.

I'd intended to take a break from stadiums for a little while after this one, but I did convince myself to do one more. I should post that one soon...

Google Drive link to Almendares Park 1

asrivkin 02-06-2021 09:23 AM

Gimnasio Escolar I
 
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Hello all!

Here's the "Gimnasio Escolar" in Santo Domingo, home to the early teams in the Dominican League, some of which still exist like Licey and Escogido. In 1930 a hurricane destroyed this park, its successor (which I haven't tackled yet) hosted the famous 1937 team with Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, et al.

A distinctive feature of this park, amazingly to me, is a shipwreck just beyond the outfield--the USS Memphis ended up there after a tidal wave wrecked it. As usual, I didn't have as much documentation as I might have preferred, but I did what I could. :)

Google Drive Link to Gimnasio Escolar zip file

asrivkin 02-06-2021 09:27 AM

I'm thinking this will likely be my last park for a little while (so I can get on with 1916 in my game), but I've been having fun making these so I might do more sooner than I think. Next batch may be the 1910s/1920s batch of PCL fields (Washington Park in LA, Rec Park in SF, Dugdale in Seattle) or I may go for southern ones like Houston/Dallas/Atlanta.

I also realized that the zip files I posted didn't always have the .prk files in them. I'll eventually get around to fixing that, but if someone needs one sooner let me know!

Ty Cobb 02-06-2021 12:22 PM

It's good work. Enjoy your rest time. I, for one, will look forward to more when the mood strikes you. Thank you for sharing your hard work with all of us!

asrivkin 02-07-2021 10:37 AM

Thank you so much for your encouragement! :)

asrivkin 04-18-2021 12:08 PM

Tucson's Elysian Grove and Coming Attractions
 
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With the end of the 1916 regular season in my simulation (Boston looking for their third World Series win in a row, facing the White Sox) I'm back to preparing a few parks for 1917's Spring Training (and for fun). I've got several that are within shouting distance of completion including Recreation Park (SF), Washington Park (LA), and Red Elm Park (Memphis) among others.

For today, I'll post a bit of a niche field: Tucson's Elysian Grove.
Here's the link: Elysian Grove Google Drive Link

This park was associated with an amusement park, as seems to have been the fashion in the early 1900s. It looks like only one minor league team played there: the 1915 Tucson Old Pueblos of the Rio Grande Association. The park wasn't terribly big but it's a reasonable place for a barnstorming team to play, and since I lived in Tucson for 9 years, met my spouse there, and still have lots of friends in the area I thought I'd give it a go. :)

The attached images are a screenshot from Sketchup, a screenshot from OOTP, and a couple of period images that I used to help figure things out.

Ty Cobb 04-18-2021 12:44 PM

Thanks!

asrivkin 04-24-2021 10:50 AM

Red Elm (Russwood) Park, Memphis
 
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OK, time for another one. This is Red Elm Park, later renamed Russwood Park (and probably much better known under that name). It was home of the Memphis Chickasaws of the Southern Association from 1896-1960, succumbing to fire just after a major league exhibition game. Its Wikipedia page is here for those interested, and its Digital Ballparks page is here.

This is the link to download a zip file of the ballpark for OOTP. I don't think I was fully consistent as to the ballpark name I used, so if for some reason things don't work try renaming files to be consistent.

As usual, I'm shooting for its appearance c. 1915-1920. I worked from the Sanborn maps, old pictures from about the right era, and later pictures that I tried to work backward from. The park was in a natural depression, the topography is in the park but I used the left field grass slope as seating (which may or may not look right)...

bctrackboi11 04-24-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4776677)
OK, time for another one. This is Red Elm Park, later renamed Russwood Park (and probably much better known under that name). It was home of the Memphis Chickasaws of the Southern Association from 1896-1960, succumbing to fire just after a major league exhibition game. Its Wikipedia page is here for those interested, and its Digital Ballparks page is here.

This is the link to download a zip file of the ballpark for OOTP. I don't think I was fully consistent as to the ballpark name I used, so if for some reason things don't work try renaming files to be consistent.

As usual, I'm shooting for its appearance c. 1915-1920. I worked from the Sanborn maps, old pictures from about the right era, and later pictures that I tried to work backward from. The park was in a natural depression, the topography is in the park but I used the left field grass slope as seating (which may or may not look right)...

Simply perfect. Are you taking requests? I'd love to see Hinchliffe.

asrivkin 04-25-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bctrackboi11 (Post 4776884)
Simply perfect. Are you taking requests? I'd love to see Hinchliffe.

Thank you so much! And sure, I'm happy to give it a shot. I'd been considering Greenlee Field anyhow. I'll probably put it (or them) in a separate thread since it's not from this time period, but I'll put it on my to-do list! :)

asrivkin 05-03-2021 09:55 PM

Mo'ili'ili Park, Honolulu
 
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All right, here's a stop for barnstorming teams en route to Japan: Mo'ili'ili Park in Honolulu. This is the park before Honolulu Stadium was built right across the street. Interestingly (at least to me), the baseball diamond is still in place, as seen in the Google Maps image. I also included the two 1910s-era pictures I could find, one of which seems to involve everything but baseball. :) Finally, I put in a screenshot from behind home plate--who could blame an umpire if their mind happened to wander with that view of Diamond Head?

Here's the Google Drive link for ballpark

asrivkin 05-10-2021 02:08 PM

Washington Park, Los Angeles
 
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Next up is Washington Park in Los Angeles, the park used before Wrigley Field and after Chutes Park (though there's substantial overlap with Chutes Park in all sorts of ways). This was used by the PCL Angels 1911-1925, its Wikipedia page is here. I debated whether or not to try to mimic the dirt/grass pattern seen in the aerial photo but decided it looked a bit too weird and (ironically) unnatural.

Google Drive link to Washington Park zip file

Gambo 05-11-2021 11:33 AM

Ahem...where's the Water Slide? Lol.

(No seriously...great work!)

Ty Cobb 05-11-2021 12:18 PM

Nice! This'll be getting used regularly by me!

asrivkin 05-13-2021 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambo (Post 4784236)
Ahem...where's the Water Slide? Lol.

(No seriously...great work!)

You're about 10 years too late to visit this stadium, or I am. ;) But I'm planning on tackling Hanlan's Point Stadium in Toronto before too long, so you'll get a roller coaster there. :)

(and thank you!!)

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb (Post 4784248)
Nice! This'll be getting used regularly by me!

Wonderful! That's very gratifying.

silvam14 05-17-2021 03:04 PM

This is great stuff! really good work!

have you thought about doing any of the negro league parks?

I have done a few but I don't really plan on doing many more

asrivkin 05-19-2021 10:49 PM

Thank you! :D

There was a request for Hinchliffe a bit upthread, I was thinking I'd try to do that one, bootstrapping off of the one that's in 3D Warehouse. I was thinking I'd start a separate thread for that one and any others? A few of the parks earlier in this thread were used in the Negro Leagues (Parkway Field in Louisville, West Washington St. Park in Indianapolis, Durkee Field in Jacksonville) and I could point to those again in such a thread. I found some aerial shots of Greenlee Field. And of course, you've already tackled the relevant MLB parks that were used.

I'm game to try other smaller ones, but as you know well, the problem is getting any sort of documentation to work off of and make it more than entirely speculative...

silvam14 05-20-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4787920)
Thank you! :D

There was a request for Hinchliffe a bit upthread, I was thinking I'd try to do that one, bootstrapping off of the one that's in 3D Warehouse. I was thinking I'd start a separate thread for that one and any others? A few of the parks earlier in this thread were used in the Negro Leagues (Parkway Field in Louisville, West Washington St. Park in Indianapolis, Durkee Field in Jacksonville) and I could point to those again in such a thread. I found some aerial shots of Greenlee Field. And of course, you've already tackled the relevant MLB parks that were used.

I'm game to try other smaller ones, but as you know well, the problem is getting any sort of documentation to work off of and make it more than entirely speculative...


I just did Hinchliffe. It is in my thread. Thanks for your great work!


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asrivkin 05-21-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14 (Post 4788259)
I just did Hinchliffe. It is in my thread.

So I see, it looks amazing! Maybe I'll try my hand at Bugle Field, since I'm living here in the DMV... :)

asrivkin 05-22-2021 12:12 PM

Pirate Field Galveston
 
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OK, I've got a few more to parcel out here, and then my 1917 Yankees can get on with their Western Spring Training trip!

Here's Pirate Field in Galveston. It had a relatively short lifetime in between hurricanes in the late 1910s, but it did host at least a few Spring Training games between the Athletics and Giants and the local nine. There's no Sanborn map for it and not a lot in terms of photo documentation other than what I've included below, but contemporary newspaper accounts talked about "raising the Jolly Roger" for Opening Day and didn't seem to be kidding, so I included it. :) The pleasure pier in the distance is a little bit anachronistic, but not stupendously so. The newspaper accounts were very proud of the "bowl-style double walls" but didn't actually describe them very well, so this is a bit of an educated guess. The parking lot out beyond left field is artistic license, but the claimed dimensions of the field in that direction are much shorter than the lot size, so I figured this was a good compromise...

Google Drive link to Pirate Field

Coming Soon: Rec Park in San Francisco (finished), Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (basically finished).

asrivkin 05-29-2021 10:29 AM

Recreation Park, San Francisco
 
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Here's Recreation Park (technically Recreation Park (III)), home of the PCL's San Francisco Seals from 1907-1930 (save an ill-advised season at Ewing Field). I had a lot of fun making this one, particularly the (mostly) period-appropriate local ads on the walls. There wasn't as much photo documentation available as I was expecting, but there was enough to put something together that I think is correct-ish. I did include the infamous "booze cage", but if you want to watch the game from there you'll need to make your own camera angle for it. :)

Google Drive link to Recreation Park



I have Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta and Inlet Park in Atlantic City more or less ready to go, I'll see if I can get them posted this week!

asrivkin 06-02-2021 09:31 AM

Ponce de Leon Park, Atlanta
 
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Next up is Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (aka "Poncey"). This was another fun one. :) This is its pre-fire appearance in the 1910s/early 1920s--probably nearer the beginning of that range since that's when the photos I found were taken.

Google Drive link to Ponce de Leon Park, updated 11 June 2021

For those interested in these things, in its later incarnation Poncey famously had no center field fence but did have a giant magnolia tree. From what I can tell from research, the magnolia was planted after the era depicted here. Also, there's clearly a fence in the pictures I have. There's also a famous hill in right field, which I tried to handle by telling the game that there's a 40-foot fence starting at the base at the hill, which will hopefully keep outfielders from disappearing into the hillside but also handle home runs vaguely correctly? I guess we'll see. Finally, there are a lot of stories about the tracks that bound the outfield and train crews hanging out up there to watch games. So, I put a train up there and even put a camera angle on it. :)

I think I have two more to go (every time I think I'm just about done I decide to do another one--it's like chapters in my dissertation were). Then I'll probably take a bit of a break but sum the current situation up with a post. As usual, let me know if you have any problems with these!

silvam14 06-02-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by asrivkin (Post 4793161)
Next up is Ponce de Leon Park in Atlanta (aka "Poncey"). This was another fun one. :) This is its pre-fire appearance in the 1910s/early 1920s--probably nearer the beginning of that range since that's when the photos I found were taken.

Google Drive link to Ponce de Leon Park

For those interested in these things, in its later incarnation Poncey famously had no center field fence but did have a giant magnolia tree. From what I can tell from research, the magnolia was planted after the era depicted here. Also, there's clearly a fence in the pictures I have. There's also a famous hill in right field, which I tried to handle by telling the game that there's a 40-foot fence starting at the base at the hill, which will hopefully keep outfielders from disappearing into the hillside but also handle home runs vaguely correctly? I guess we'll see. Finally, there are a lot of stories about the tracks that bound the outfield and train crews hanging out up there to watch games. So, I put a train up there and even put a camera angle on it. :)

I think I have two more to go (every time I think I'm just about done I decide to do another one--it's like chapters in my dissertation were). Then I'll probably take a bit of a break but sum the current situation up with a post. As usual, let me know if you have any problems with these!

Do the players disappear into the hill in RF?

asrivkin 06-02-2021 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14 (Post 4793277)
Do the players disappear into the hill in RF?

I'm not sure--I haven't played a game there yet, I've just set it up with the grid. I'm assuming (hoping) that since I put the fence at the base of the hill they'll stop there, but I've certainly seen players range far beyond where I thought they should go based on the grid...

kcstengelsr 06-04-2021 08:47 AM

Thank you for these ballparks. I am playing 1937, 1958, and 1962 historical seasons this year with OOTP22 and I will use some of these as I sometimes like to play some minor league or Negro Leagues games in addition to major league games.

I do agree that having a few more Negro Leagues parks would be a good thing since their stats through 1948 will be elevated to major league status so they will eventually be recognized as major league baseball. I can think of at least two more Negro Leagues parks that I would like to see. Ruppert Field in Newark and Penmar Park in Philadelphia (also known as 44th and Parkside) both served in the Negro Leagues for quite a number of years while some other parks were only used for shorter time spans. I know that some of the Negro Leagues parks like Hinchliffe, Rickwood, and Muehlebach have been created and I also know that some teams used major league parks like Griffith, Forbes, Crosley, and others. Also, the Chicago American Giants used old South Side Park through 1940 and silvam14 has made that one.

Other parks I would like to eventually see are those of the Pacific Coast League sometime between the mid thirties to the early fifties as the PCL was almost major league caliber back then. I know silvam14 and eriqjaffe have some of them like Seals, LA Wrigley, Sicks, Lane, Vaughn, and Gilmore. Missing seems to be one for Oakland and one for Sacramento along with perhaps the one Seattle had before Sicks was erected.

asrivkin 06-05-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kcstengelsr (Post 4793720)
Thank you for these ballparks.

Hi--I think I responded to your PM, but my laptop ate at least one attempt I made. Hopefully at least one try worked! And I'll give you a more proper response to this post soon! :)


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