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Originally Posted by cubedrum
In the Ring magazine "80 best fighters of the last 80 years" published in May of 2002 ranks fighters also. If you pick out the heavyweights they rank as follows:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano (uh oh, Ring thinks more of Rocky than you. But wait you are correct and the Ring editors are wrong)
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Evander Holyfield
Still overrated but more realistic than #3
Just another opinion (or set of opinions averaged out)
Was Ring right in 98? In 2002? We'll never know, so the words right/wrong, and correct/incorrect don't really apply here, or to opinions of any sort, whether expressed by me or Emmanuel Steward or the Dalai Lama. Looking at the rankings of another trusted boxing historian named Trunzo, Holyfield ranks somewhere between #7-#14. Check the game.
The whole point of a forum is to have an opinion isn't it?
I feel my opinions have a right to be expressed without personal attacks from those that disagree. I can play devil's advocate to Evander's fanboy Badguy. His opinions of Evander are much less realistic than mine even if the Ring backed him up for one moment in 1998.
As for being childish? Man, you must live among some very stiff necked adults if you consider my post childish. Check the rec.sport.boxing newsgroup if you really want to see the kids bicker and throw insults. Not one insult thrown at you, Meade even though I'm so foolish and childish and intellectually dishonest in my clouded opinions.
My clouded opinion puts Evander at #8 all time BTW.
Just my opinion (had to do it)
Cube
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Cube - My "childish" remark was out of line - I apologize. No need for me to have posted or suggested it.
And we just have a slight disagreement over where Holy & Marciano should be ranked overall (perhaps that is half the fun about looking back on fighters).
You have been a great asset to TBCB and I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this one.
Best regards!