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genghisdunn · 07-13-2006, 01:12 AM

I don't know if this ever made it over here, but I brought it up a few times in the other forum:

As they stand now, the defensive stats are largely useless in the game. Take a look for example at this guy:

http://rlpa.org/rlpa2006/news/html/p...ayer_1289.html

He's played 1st, 2nd, and 3rd base in his career, but I have no idea looking at that mishmosh of stats how well he does any of it in the long run. Could we get some totals at the bottom of the stats breaking it down by position (and, preferably, by position and by league both, so the major league stats would be separate from the AAA, AA, A, rookie, etc. stats)?

Look at this Cato page:

http://rlpa.org/cato/players/f/figginchone784.html

See how easily you can see both: (1) each year, how many games at each position Figgins played; and (2) for his career, how many games at each position he played. The current OOTP design - with alternating grey/white lines - is terrible (not just for defensive stats, but for pitching and offensive stats as well - group all things happening in one season together, and switch from grey to white as you go from year to year), and the lack of career totals just makes it worse.

Also, while we're at it, take a look at this team history page:

http://rlpa.org/rlpa2006/news/html/h...ar_5_2014.html

Team fielding stats doesn't even tell us what position each guy played. Adrian Gonzalez logged 1452 innings as a what? 1B? 2B? Some comination of positions? Who knows.

And you've got the footer there:

Last 2 columns are Fielding Percentage and Range Factor (expect Catcher where last column is Runners Thrown Out Percentage)
Numbers in headings are league average values.

that was obviously was copied directly from Catobase but never got implemented. The last two columns may be FP and Range factor, but I don't see anything about catchers' RTO. Nor do I see headings, or league average values. I believe what was intended by this little footnote was something like this:

http://rlpa.org/cato/teams/hou/2010.html

Again, look how useful that is compared to what OOTP shows you. For the team, you see everyone who played a position in a given year. You can easily compare them all to each other and to the league average (which actually is a number in the heading).

The way these defensive stats are set out in OOTP is just really, really awful right now. I know this kind of thing needed to go lower in importance than all of the crashes and memory leaks and unusable online mode stuff, but now that some of that has been cleared up I think this should be a pretty high priority.

07-13-2006, 01:12 AM	#1
genghisdunn Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 119	Defensive stats display problems I don't know if this ever made it over here, but I brought it up a few times in the other forum: As they stand now, the defensive stats are largely useless in the game. Take a look for example at this guy: http://rlpa.org/rlpa2006/news/html/p...ayer_1289.html He's played 1st, 2nd, and 3rd base in his career, but I have no idea looking at that mishmosh of stats how well he does any of it in the long run. Could we get some totals at the bottom of the stats breaking it down by position (and, preferably, by position and by league both, so the major league stats would be separate from the AAA, AA, A, rookie, etc. stats)? Look at this Cato page: http://rlpa.org/cato/players/f/figginchone784.html See how easily you can see both: (1) each year, how many games at each position Figgins played; and (2) for his career, how many games at each position he played. The current OOTP design - with alternating grey/white lines - is terrible (not just for defensive stats, but for pitching and offensive stats as well - group all things happening in one season together, and switch from grey to white as you go from year to year), and the lack of career totals just makes it worse. Also, while we're at it, take a look at this team history page: http://rlpa.org/rlpa2006/news/html/h...ar_5_2014.html Team fielding stats doesn't even tell us what position each guy played. Adrian Gonzalez logged 1452 innings as a what? 1B? 2B? Some comination of positions? Who knows. And you've got the footer there: Last 2 columns are Fielding Percentage and Range Factor (expect Catcher where last column is Runners Thrown Out Percentage) Numbers in headings are league average values. that was obviously was copied directly from Catobase but never got implemented. The last two columns may be FP and Range factor, but I don't see anything about catchers' RTO. Nor do I see headings, or league average values. I believe what was intended by this little footnote was something like this: http://rlpa.org/cato/teams/hou/2010.html Again, look how useful that is compared to what OOTP shows you. For the team, you see everyone who played a position in a given year. You can easily compare them all to each other and to the league average (which actually is a number in the heading). The way these defensive stats are set out in OOTP is just really, really awful right now. I know this kind of thing needed to go lower in importance than all of the crashes and memory leaks and unusable online mode stuff, but now that some of that has been cleared up I think this should be a pretty high priority. __________________ Proud owner of the 5-time RLPA World Champion Houston Astros.