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cabot41 · 07-14-2006, 04:03 AM

I threw this up in the general section and based on the feedback I think this can be viewed as a bug.

TOP LVL SUMMARY: 3 way ties do not work as MLB does it. Under some circumstances the 3rd team gets left out (seemingly randomly) with no opportunity for a one game playoff to get into the postseason.

This all gets pretty complicated so bear with me.

Last year there was an outside chance that the NYY,BOS and CLE would all end up tied, a situation that has not happened since MLB went to their current 3 division/wildcard playoff structure in 1994. I paid attention to the possible permutations, and I am not sure if those are dealt with accurately here (Post Patch. Thanks for fixing the wildcard thing BTW).

If 3 teams end up tied for the wildcard (and only the wildcard) and they are all from 3 diffrent divisions, a coin flip determines which two teams play in the first single game playoff. THEN, the winner of that games plays the third team (the team that "won" the coin flip or whatever). The winner of that second playoff game is the one that gets into the playoffs (there is no third game, it is not a world cup style round robbin).

OK: If 2 of the three teams that are tied are in the same division, then those two teams play a one game playoff, and the third team, (the team from a different division altogether) plays the winner in a second one game playoff. Again, there is no round robin. I just reached that situation in my sim, and I know that that is not how the sim handles it. Instead the game picks two of the three teams (not sure how) and the third team does not get a chance to participate in a one game playoff against anybody, they are just out of the mix altogether.

AND THEN: If 2 of the 3 teams are tied for the wildcard and for the winning the divison (this was the potential situation IRL from last year) again, the two teams from the same division play first for the win of the division and the loser of that game plays the third team for the wildcard. I don't kinow how the sim handles it as I've never seen it before.

BUT: If there are only two teams tied, that have both clinched the wildcard regardless of the which one wins the division (Which is what ACTUALLY Happened last year with BOS and NY) , there is no one game playoff to determine the division winner and wildcard. Instead, the team with the best head to head record takes the division, and the other one is slotted as the wildcard.
You'll remember that the Yanks didn't need to win the last game of the year against BOS (and in fact did not win that game), because they had already clinched the division because of head to head.

FINALLY: I have no earthly idea what happens when there are 4 team ties.

If OOTP wants to do it round robin style instead of how baseball does it, I am okay with that (its arguably more fair and exciting anyway). But I think it would be cool if under no circumstances a third team gets left out altogether, with no opportunity to advance. I think, when people are going to sim a century's worth of baseball, it will happen often enough that it should be fixed.

Thanks again for all of your great work.

07-14-2006, 04:03 AM	#1
cabot41 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 78	3 Way Tie Bug I threw this up in the general section and based on the feedback I think this can be viewed as a bug. TOP LVL SUMMARY: 3 way ties do not work as MLB does it. Under some circumstances the 3rd team gets left out (seemingly randomly) with no opportunity for a one game playoff to get into the postseason. This all gets pretty complicated so bear with me. Last year there was an outside chance that the NYY,BOS and CLE would all end up tied, a situation that has not happened since MLB went to their current 3 division/wildcard playoff structure in 1994. I paid attention to the possible permutations, and I am not sure if those are dealt with accurately here (Post Patch. Thanks for fixing the wildcard thing BTW). If 3 teams end up tied for the wildcard (and only the wildcard) and they are all from 3 diffrent divisions, a coin flip determines which two teams play in the first single game playoff. THEN, the winner of that games plays the third team (the team that "won" the coin flip or whatever). The winner of that second playoff game is the one that gets into the playoffs (there is no third game, it is not a world cup style round robbin). OK: If 2 of the three teams that are tied are in the same division, then those two teams play a one game playoff, and the third team, (the team from a different division altogether) plays the winner in a second one game playoff. Again, there is no round robin. I just reached that situation in my sim, and I know that that is not how the sim handles it. Instead the game picks two of the three teams (not sure how) and the third team does not get a chance to participate in a one game playoff against anybody, they are just out of the mix altogether. AND THEN: If 2 of the 3 teams are tied for the wildcard and for the winning the divison (this was the potential situation IRL from last year) again, the two teams from the same division play first for the win of the division and the loser of that game plays the third team for the wildcard. I don't kinow how the sim handles it as I've never seen it before. BUT: If there are only two teams tied, that have both clinched the wildcard regardless of the which one wins the division (Which is what ACTUALLY Happened last year with BOS and NY) , there is no one game playoff to determine the division winner and wildcard. Instead, the team with the best head to head record takes the division, and the other one is slotted as the wildcard. You'll remember that the Yanks didn't need to win the last game of the year against BOS (and in fact did not win that game), because they had already clinched the division because of head to head. FINALLY: I have no earthly idea what happens when there are 4 team ties. If OOTP wants to do it round robin style instead of how baseball does it, I am okay with that (its arguably more fair and exciting anyway). But I think it would be cool if under no circumstances a third team gets left out altogether, with no opportunity to advance. I think, when people are going to sim a century's worth of baseball, it will happen often enough that it should be fixed. Thanks again for all of your great work.