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Lee · 07-22-2006, 08:38 PM

Unfortunately I agree that Puresim is the better Historical sim this year. (With the exception of CG for Deadball pitchers) OOTP still has so much potential though. I have played every version of OOTP since the first and I actually think this might be one of the worst since they added the ability to import historical players, in terms of generating an enjoyable historical experience in the Deadball era. Granted we don't have to tweak league modifiers as much, but a couple of things really bother me.

The offense is pretty good for the most part, but one thing that really baffles me here is the way Stolen bases fluctuate so wildly. When set to "very often" you will get several players stealing over 100 in the first years of a deadball sim and then it slowly fades to the point that you will only have 3-5 players over 30 by the mid teens, even though you don't touch the settings. (BTW, I am using the Arod/garland DB that adds in CS totals, which should stabilize ths issue, but doesn't)

The big thing for me is the Pitcher aging and more importantly the way the AI handles Pitchers at a certain age, or career IP total is still not very good at all. In my current test I have aging set to 0.100 and I still have pitchers hitting the wall in the 28-30 range on a regular basis and am also finding the AI moves far too many starters to the pen after good Seasons, just because they hit that 28-30 age or have 8-10 years as starters. For this version to ever get Historical completely right this really needs to be addressed and should work with default 1.000 settings.

The final thing here is that this version, more than any other allows far too many marginal or unknown players, or even worse, players that had barely a sniff of the majors to be stars. Even with my settings for adjust batters/pitchers and weaken batters/pitchers fairly high it still happens. I am totally all for a few surprises like this here and there and also enjoy the occassional RL Superstar busting, but it is probably double or triple what it should be. In some cases it is almost like using fictional players there are so many of these types all over the Season leader boards.

I have always loved this game and will always support it, but being a hardcore Historical simmer as well, especially Deadball, this years version is just frustrating. With guys like Tigerfan and Rasnell testing I know we have voices on the inside, so hopefully it is just a matter of time.

A couple of notes about my current test. Leader in victories from 1903 - 1926 so far is 256 (Walter Johnson) and I even had to tweak his ratings back up after he was relegated to the bullpen at the age of 31 to achieve this.

I have yet to have Ty Cobb or Christy Mattewson do anything close to what they accomplished in RL and again I have helped boost their ratings more than once. I know the AI does not know names but it is a wierd coincidence

Addie Joss also falls into this category as does Eddie Plank and Ed Walsh.

Ras please, lobby for us Deadball guys!!

07-22-2006, 08:38 PM	#13
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,651	Unfortunately I agree that Puresim is the better Historical sim this year. (With the exception of CG for Deadball pitchers) OOTP still has so much potential though. I have played every version of OOTP since the first and I actually think this might be one of the worst since they added the ability to import historical players, in terms of generating an enjoyable historical experience in the Deadball era. Granted we don't have to tweak league modifiers as much, but a couple of things really bother me. The offense is pretty good for the most part, but one thing that really baffles me here is the way Stolen bases fluctuate so wildly. When set to "very often" you will get several players stealing over 100 in the first years of a deadball sim and then it slowly fades to the point that you will only have 3-5 players over 30 by the mid teens, even though you don't touch the settings. (BTW, I am using the Arod/garland DB that adds in CS totals, which should stabilize ths issue, but doesn't) The big thing for me is the Pitcher aging and more importantly the way the AI handles Pitchers at a certain age, or career IP total is still not very good at all. In my current test I have aging set to 0.100 and I still have pitchers hitting the wall in the 28-30 range on a regular basis and am also finding the AI moves far too many starters to the pen after good Seasons, just because they hit that 28-30 age or have 8-10 years as starters. For this version to ever get Historical completely right this really needs to be addressed and should work with default 1.000 settings. The final thing here is that this version, more than any other allows far too many marginal or unknown players, or even worse, players that had barely a sniff of the majors to be stars. Even with my settings for adjust batters/pitchers and weaken batters/pitchers fairly high it still happens. I am totally all for a few surprises like this here and there and also enjoy the occassional RL Superstar busting, but it is probably double or triple what it should be. In some cases it is almost like using fictional players there are so many of these types all over the Season leader boards. I have always loved this game and will always support it, but being a hardcore Historical simmer as well, especially Deadball, this years version is just frustrating. With guys like Tigerfan and Rasnell testing I know we have voices on the inside, so hopefully it is just a matter of time. A couple of notes about my current test. Leader in victories from 1903 - 1926 so far is 256 (Walter Johnson) and I even had to tweak his ratings back up after he was relegated to the bullpen at the age of 31 to achieve this. I have yet to have Ty Cobb or Christy Mattewson do anything close to what they accomplished in RL and again I have helped boost their ratings more than once. I know the AI does not know names but it is a wierd coincidence Addie Joss also falls into this category as does Eddie Plank and Ed Walsh. Ras please, lobby for us Deadball guys!!