OOTP Developments Forums - View Single Post

JCWeb · 01-21-2008, 03:53 PM

Jan. 1923 HW Division Profile

Total: 185 RL: 107 TC: 78

RL by Career Stage:
End - 9
Post - 20
Prime - 36
Pre - 24
Beginning - 18 (11 New)

Rated: 65
800+: 12
500+: 30
200+: 53

Jan. 1923 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from Jan. 1922 in Parens):

Champ: Jack Dempsey 38-3-1 (37) (1645) (+2)
1. Harry Wills 41-4-1 (34) (1644) (-1)
2. Bartley Madden 35-8-3 (14) (1446) (-1)
3. Billy Miske 31-11-1 (19) (1121) (NC)
4. George Godfrey 22-1 (17) (1112) (+3)
5. Bill Brennan 31-12 (23) (1111) (-1)
6. Gene Tunney 25-6-2 (17) (1076) (new)
7. Fred Fulton 29-9 (22) (1023) (-1)
8. Jeff Clarke 42-15-3 (29) (1007) (NC)
9. Paul Samson-Korner 26-5 (21) (920) (+6)
10. Joe Beckett 32-12 (25) (893) (+3)

Comments: Four of these top contenders (Miske, Brennan, Clarke and Beckett) slip into Post in 1923, leaving Dempsey with few new challengers other than Tunney, who has just stepped up from the LH division. The Manassa Mauler has dominated recently, stopping his last eight opponents inside the distance. Wills slips after having an 11-bout win streak snapped by Dempsey. Madden had his 8-bout win streak snapped in the title bout with Wills; his only 1922 win was a UD 10 over Jack Thompson. Miske ended the career of Sam McVey, going 1-1 in two 1922 title tilts. Godfrey recovered from the loss to Dempsey with TKOs over Devere and Flint and a UD 10 over Brennan, who is next in the rankings with 1922 UD wins over LH Tommy Gibbons and an aging McVey. Tunney, the USBA LH Champ, debuted at HW with a UD 10 over aging ex-Champ Langford to emerge as an immediate top contender. Fulton scored a TKO over Devere after his last loss to Dempsey. Clarke had a bit of a career renaissance, scoring a TKO over Firpo and a UD versus Langford but of course was also a Dempsey victim in 1922. Samson-Korner ran his win streak to four, the last two by KO (versus Morris and Pooley) to surge into the top 10. Beckett also went 3-0 in 1922, KOing Langford and Pooley to move up to the top 10 for the first time.

Other Notables: McVey (who was ranked fifth in Jan. 1922), retired. Carl Morris dropped from #9 to #11, losing to Samson-Korner and LH champ Carpentier after a UD over Otto Flint. Flint went winless in three bouts to fall all the way to #17 after holding down the 10th spot at the start of 1922. Bob Roper won three of four bouts, including an impressive KO over Battling Jim McCreary, to wind up at #13 after compiling a 18-1-2 (12) career record (his only loss coming to Dempsey in a USBA title clash). Top newcomer is Tom Heeney of New Zealand, who has racked up 15 wins in a row, good for 19th in the rankings, including KO wins over Squires and Van den Bergh and UDs versus Jack Burke and Sailor Meehan. Veteran Jess Willard battled the effects of aging to score impressive wins over Colin Bell and a KO versus Luis Firpo (opposite of what happened historically) and clings to the #20 spot. Fighting Bob Martin checks in at #22 after a 14-1-2 (11) career start. Al Roberts suffered consecutive losses to Phil Scott and Homer Smith and winds up at #26 with a 15-3-1 (7) mark. Italian Erminio Spalla scored three successive KO wins to lift his record to 18-4 (11), good for 28th. Finally, "Fainting" Phil Scott debuts at #29 with a 15-3-1 (4) mark, slipping a bit after the GBU title loss to Beckett.

Prospects: Sully Montgomery tops the list, winning his first 13 in a row before suffering his first setback, a TKO loss to lowly-regarded Marty Cutler. Dane Emil Andreason is 11-0-1 (6), mainly by virtue of domination over TCs. John Henry Squires, a Heeney victim, kept his slate clean otherwise with wins over Dick Rice and Joe McAuliffe to wind up the year at 11-1 (6). Chilean Quinton Romero Rojas checks in at 10-1 (5), having dropped a SD8 to Squires. McAuliffe, who lost to both men, wound up the year at 10-2 (6). Still unbeaten (all versus TCs) are Floyd Johnson, 8-0 (all KO), Young Stribling, 8-0 (7), and King Soloman, 8-0 (2). Brian McCleary survived a SD win over Rudi Wagener to get off to a 7-0 (3) start. Ralph Brooks ended the year at 7-0-1 (2). Jack Burke, on the other hand, struggled, going 8-4-2 (7).

Retirements: Record number (8) retired retire in 1922, including two former Champs.

Jim Cameron (USA) 1909-22 22-23-3 (7) No Titles Highest Rank: 40
Fighting Dick Gilbert (USA) 1910-22 22-24-2 (9) No Titles Highest Rank: 33
Matthew Curran (IRL) 1907-22 27-26-2 (17) No Titles Highest Rank: 25
Arthur Pelkey (CAN) 1910-22 26-17-2 (15) No Titles Highest Rank: 15
Charley Miller (USA) 1908-22 25-24-3 (11) No Titles Highest Rank: 5
Sam McVey (USA) 1902-22 53-18-2 (33) WBA Champ
Tommy Burns (CAN) 1901-22 50-26-5 (32) WBA Champ
Denver Jack Geyer (USA) 1909-22 29-21-3 (22) No Titles Highest Rank: 24

Looking Ahead: It will be interesting to see if Dempsey is set for a long title reign, given that he has beaten about all the top contenders except for Tunney, who is likely to emerge as his toughest challenger. Wills and Godfrey still have some good years ahead of them, but there should be a changing of the guard as older veterans start to age. Expect to see competition for the EBU title heat up, with Samson-Korner, Beckett, and the Italian Spalla brothers (Erminio and Giuseppe) in the mix. The Basque Woodchopper, Spaniard Paulino Uzcudan, American Pat Lester, and Canada's Larry Gains pace the 11 newcomers to the ranks in 1923.

01-21-2008, 03:53 PM	#476
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,099	1922-Heavyweight Part II Jan. 1923 HW Division Profile Total: 185 RL: 107 TC: 78 RL by Career Stage: End - 9 Post - 20 Prime - 36 Pre - 24 Beginning - 18 (11 New) Rated: 65 800+: 12 500+: 30 200+: 53 Jan. 1923 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from Jan. 1922 in Parens): Champ: Jack Dempsey 38-3-1 (37) (1645) (+2) 1. Harry Wills 41-4-1 (34) (1644) (-1) 2. Bartley Madden 35-8-3 (14) (1446) (-1) 3. Billy Miske 31-11-1 (19) (1121) (NC) 4. George Godfrey 22-1 (17) (1112) (+3) 5. Bill Brennan 31-12 (23) (1111) (-1) 6. Gene Tunney 25-6-2 (17) (1076) (new) 7. Fred Fulton 29-9 (22) (1023) (-1) 8. Jeff Clarke 42-15-3 (29) (1007) (NC) 9. Paul Samson-Korner 26-5 (21) (920) (+6) 10. Joe Beckett 32-12 (25) (893) (+3) Comments: Four of these top contenders (Miske, Brennan, Clarke and Beckett) slip into Post in 1923, leaving Dempsey with few new challengers other than Tunney, who has just stepped up from the LH division. The Manassa Mauler has dominated recently, stopping his last eight opponents inside the distance. Wills slips after having an 11-bout win streak snapped by Dempsey. Madden had his 8-bout win streak snapped in the title bout with Wills; his only 1922 win was a UD 10 over Jack Thompson. Miske ended the career of Sam McVey, going 1-1 in two 1922 title tilts. Godfrey recovered from the loss to Dempsey with TKOs over Devere and Flint and a UD 10 over Brennan, who is next in the rankings with 1922 UD wins over LH Tommy Gibbons and an aging McVey. Tunney, the USBA LH Champ, debuted at HW with a UD 10 over aging ex-Champ Langford to emerge as an immediate top contender. Fulton scored a TKO over Devere after his last loss to Dempsey. Clarke had a bit of a career renaissance, scoring a TKO over Firpo and a UD versus Langford but of course was also a Dempsey victim in 1922. Samson-Korner ran his win streak to four, the last two by KO (versus Morris and Pooley) to surge into the top 10. Beckett also went 3-0 in 1922, KOing Langford and Pooley to move up to the top 10 for the first time. Other Notables: McVey (who was ranked fifth in Jan. 1922), retired. Carl Morris dropped from #9 to #11, losing to Samson-Korner and LH champ Carpentier after a UD over Otto Flint. Flint went winless in three bouts to fall all the way to #17 after holding down the 10th spot at the start of 1922. Bob Roper won three of four bouts, including an impressive KO over Battling Jim McCreary, to wind up at #13 after compiling a 18-1-2 (12) career record (his only loss coming to Dempsey in a USBA title clash). Top newcomer is Tom Heeney of New Zealand, who has racked up 15 wins in a row, good for 19th in the rankings, including KO wins over Squires and Van den Bergh and UDs versus Jack Burke and Sailor Meehan. Veteran Jess Willard battled the effects of aging to score impressive wins over Colin Bell and a KO versus Luis Firpo (opposite of what happened historically) and clings to the #20 spot. Fighting Bob Martin checks in at #22 after a 14-1-2 (11) career start. Al Roberts suffered consecutive losses to Phil Scott and Homer Smith and winds up at #26 with a 15-3-1 (7) mark. Italian Erminio Spalla scored three successive KO wins to lift his record to 18-4 (11), good for 28th. Finally, "Fainting" Phil Scott debuts at #29 with a 15-3-1 (4) mark, slipping a bit after the GBU title loss to Beckett. Prospects: Sully Montgomery tops the list, winning his first 13 in a row before suffering his first setback, a TKO loss to lowly-regarded Marty Cutler. Dane Emil Andreason is 11-0-1 (6), mainly by virtue of domination over TCs. John Henry Squires, a Heeney victim, kept his slate clean otherwise with wins over Dick Rice and Joe McAuliffe to wind up the year at 11-1 (6). Chilean Quinton Romero Rojas checks in at 10-1 (5), having dropped a SD8 to Squires. McAuliffe, who lost to both men, wound up the year at 10-2 (6). Still unbeaten (all versus TCs) are Floyd Johnson, 8-0 (all KO), Young Stribling, 8-0 (7), and King Soloman, 8-0 (2). Brian McCleary survived a SD win over Rudi Wagener to get off to a 7-0 (3) start. Ralph Brooks ended the year at 7-0-1 (2). Jack Burke, on the other hand, struggled, going 8-4-2 (7). Retirements: Record number (8) retired retire in 1922, including two former Champs. Jim Cameron (USA) 1909-22 22-23-3 (7) No Titles Highest Rank: 40 Fighting Dick Gilbert (USA) 1910-22 22-24-2 (9) No Titles Highest Rank: 33 Matthew Curran (IRL) 1907-22 27-26-2 (17) No Titles Highest Rank: 25 Arthur Pelkey (CAN) 1910-22 26-17-2 (15) No Titles Highest Rank: 15 Charley Miller (USA) 1908-22 25-24-3 (11) No Titles Highest Rank: 5 Sam McVey (USA) 1902-22 53-18-2 (33) WBA Champ Tommy Burns (CAN) 1901-22 50-26-5 (32) WBA Champ Denver Jack Geyer (USA) 1909-22 29-21-3 (22) No Titles Highest Rank: 24 Looking Ahead: It will be interesting to see if Dempsey is set for a long title reign, given that he has beaten about all the top contenders except for Tunney, who is likely to emerge as his toughest challenger. Wills and Godfrey still have some good years ahead of them, but there should be a changing of the guard as older veterans start to age. Expect to see competition for the EBU title heat up, with Samson-Korner, Beckett, and the Italian Spalla brothers (Erminio and Giuseppe) in the mix. The Basque Woodchopper, Spaniard Paulino Uzcudan, American Pat Lester, and Canada's Larry Gains pace the 11 newcomers to the ranks in 1923.