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__JR__ · 06-23-2008, 04:40 PM

I posted a thread about a slight flaw I noticed regarding substitutions on the General Discussions board. Now I'm pretty sure the whole logic process is flawed.

In the example I highlighted, there were 11 substitutions in the span of 1 inning, leaving only 4 pitchers able to enter the game in case of an injury. On top of that, they had a non catcher playing that catcher because they had pinch hit their backup catcher and subsequently replaced him in the field.

I had another game which did this, with one fewer substitution, but the logic was much worse. If other people are experiencing this I can highlight the exact situation, but by the 10th inning, this team had an outfielder at 3B, and outfielder at C, and the backup catcher playing 1B. They did have one emergency sub available, however. The thing I can't understand is why they would leave an outfielder at the C position when the backup C was still in the game!! I'm using strategy settings of 1901, and it seems there are way too many subs, especially favoring the L/R split. Another game I was playing had a team pinch hit for their best hitter, and one of the best in the league, just because he was left handed. The PH coming in was rated much less, and ended up striking out IIRC. It would be like pinch hitting Nick Punto in for Joe Mauer just because the pitcher is left handed. No sober manager would make that move.

Don't get me wrong, substitutions are a good thing. I just think that with the settings at "very rarely/rarely" for substitutions, I should NEVER see double digit subs in the span of one inning. I know programs can't "think", or "plan ahead", but it seems like the AI inserts subs simply because they can without even looking at the obvious best move. Yes some things are subjective, and there are multiple good choices to make, but when theres an obvious best move such as "play your back up catcher at the C position instead of your backup CF", anything else is obviously a poor move. I recall seeing double switches in 2007/8 (something unheard of in 9 so far as I can remember), and although the volume of subs was much less, way more of them made perfect/really good sense, and the others you could probably make an argument for.

Thanks for reading!

06-23-2008, 04:40 PM	#1
__JR__ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Near St. Paul, MN Posts: 93	Substitutions I posted a thread about a slight flaw I noticed regarding substitutions on the General Discussions board. Now I'm pretty sure the whole logic process is flawed. In the example I highlighted, there were 11 substitutions in the span of 1 inning, leaving only 4 pitchers able to enter the game in case of an injury. On top of that, they had a non catcher playing that catcher because they had pinch hit their backup catcher and subsequently replaced him in the field. I had another game which did this, with one fewer substitution, but the logic was much worse. If other people are experiencing this I can highlight the exact situation, but by the 10th inning, this team had an outfielder at 3B, and outfielder at C, and the backup catcher playing 1B. They did have one emergency sub available, however. The thing I can't understand is why they would leave an outfielder at the C position when the backup C was still in the game!! I'm using strategy settings of 1901, and it seems there are way too many subs, especially favoring the L/R split. Another game I was playing had a team pinch hit for their best hitter, and one of the best in the league, just because he was left handed. The PH coming in was rated much less, and ended up striking out IIRC. It would be like pinch hitting Nick Punto in for Joe Mauer just because the pitcher is left handed. No sober manager would make that move. Don't get me wrong, substitutions are a good thing. I just think that with the settings at "very rarely/rarely" for substitutions, I should NEVER see double digit subs in the span of one inning. I know programs can't "think", or "plan ahead", but it seems like the AI inserts subs simply because they can without even looking at the obvious best move. Yes some things are subjective, and there are multiple good choices to make, but when theres an obvious best move such as "play your back up catcher at the C position instead of your backup CF", anything else is obviously a poor move. I recall seeing double switches in 2007/8 (something unheard of in 9 so far as I can remember), and although the volume of subs was much less, way more of them made perfect/really good sense, and the others you could probably make an argument for. Thanks for reading!