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Garlon · 02-08-2009, 01:36 PM

One big problem with using "real" lineups is the fact that in OOTP there are trades and injuries. After a couple trades and injuries there is no more "real" lineup. The AI has to be able to make decisions based on ratings and other forms of logic. Also consider that the "most used" lineup IRL sometimes just doesn't occur that often. I remember that a few years back that the "most used" Cubs lineup occured maybe 8 times the entire season....I don't think that's very meaningful in any way.

Having said that, let's look at the 1974 Brewers and pick out their starting position players based on games played by position and let's look at their PA/G:

Pos: Player - Plate Apearances per Game
C: Porter - 3.740
1B: Scott - 4.253
2B: Garcia - 3.504
3B: Money - 4.459
SS: Yount - 3.402
LF: Briggs - 4.078
CF: Coluccio - 3.261
RF: May - 3.815
DH: Mitchell - 2.205

Guesstimate of typical lineup based on descending order of PA/G:

1. Money
2. Scott
3. Briggs
4. May
5. Porter
6. Garcia
7. Yount
8. Coluccio
9. Mitchell

Maybe you think this is a typical lineup for the 1974, and maybe not. This is an imperfect approach, but I think this system would generally get two things correct - the leadoff man, and the 8th hitter (9th hitter for AL teams). On the 1974 Brewers Mitchell was the DH more than anyone else with 88 games as DH. There is a guy like that on just about every team. That means for h Brewers in the best possible scenario they couldn't hae put the same batting order out there more than 88 times. I think it'd be difficult to find the same batting order even a dozen times that season. You can search thru the game logs on retrosheet if you want. Even with the same 9 players, you have 362880 possible lineup combinations. Then consider the fact that you have bench players and guys being called up and sent down to the minors and such, and managers changing the lineups vs left handed starters or ealing with players who have minor injurues. I think when you actualy go look at the data you will see that there really isn't much of a "real" lineup for any team.

Money was the leadoff man for the 1974 Brewers.

02-08-2009, 01:36 PM	#5
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,276	One big problem with using "real" lineups is the fact that in OOTP there are trades and injuries. After a couple trades and injuries there is no more "real" lineup. The AI has to be able to make decisions based on ratings and other forms of logic. Also consider that the "most used" lineup IRL sometimes just doesn't occur that often. I remember that a few years back that the "most used" Cubs lineup occured maybe 8 times the entire season....I don't think that's very meaningful in any way. Having said that, let's look at the 1974 Brewers and pick out their starting position players based on games played by position and let's look at their PA/G: Pos: Player - Plate Apearances per Game C: Porter - 3.740 1B: Scott - 4.253 2B: Garcia - 3.504 3B: Money - 4.459 SS: Yount - 3.402 LF: Briggs - 4.078 CF: Coluccio - 3.261 RF: May - 3.815 DH: Mitchell - 2.205 Guesstimate of typical lineup based on descending order of PA/G: 1. Money 2. Scott 3. Briggs 4. May 5. Porter 6. Garcia 7. Yount 8. Coluccio 9. Mitchell Maybe you think this is a typical lineup for the 1974, and maybe not. This is an imperfect approach, but I think this system would generally get two things correct - the leadoff man, and the 8th hitter (9th hitter for AL teams). On the 1974 Brewers Mitchell was the DH more than anyone else with 88 games as DH. There is a guy like that on just about every team. That means for h Brewers in the best possible scenario they couldn't hae put the same batting order out there more than 88 times. I think it'd be difficult to find the same batting order even a dozen times that season. You can search thru the game logs on retrosheet if you want. Even with the same 9 players, you have 362880 possible lineup combinations. Then consider the fact that you have bench players and guys being called up and sent down to the minors and such, and managers changing the lineups vs left handed starters or ealing with players who have minor injurues. I think when you actualy go look at the data you will see that there really isn't much of a "real" lineup for any team. Money was the leadoff man for the 1974 Brewers.