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Originally Posted by phightin

Yes because hundreds upon hundreds of posts with people having the same issues year after year is all based on pure speculation

Too many people here are too loyal to the game at times and cant see past it's flaws so that it can improve. Yes we all love the game that's why we're here but the inability to be able to critique it won't allow for improvement.

With that said I appreciate the people posting their data so far and plan to do the same today. The two problems though are that they simply assess the overall entire universe and do not measure the individual or rate of variance among players performing at peak levels in the game. For example, from the charts from Eiskrap prove what we are saying in overall performance dropoffs. However they and the others posted on here dont take into account rates of change among players performing highly and then dropping after a few years and rather look at the broad spectrum of data. So you could have a group 10-12 players aged 25-26 performing highly for a couple of years then all drop off after a a couple years and another 10-12 players from the same age range take their place.

This makes some sense as there should be a cycle but there should be an amount of consistency in the league as well. To measure this would take a lot of time so I'm not surprised no on here has yet.

I'm going to take some samples today and I would even argue that the results will show even more problems with ageing and development than Eiskrap's showed.

So you really think that Charlie Hough and I are the problem and not part of the solution?

If you produce data that shows a problem Markus will look at it. No one is saying that issues don't exist but there is no way to take unsubstantiated observations and make them the basis for changing the game. But carry on you obviously don't need any help from data to reach your conclusions.