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Eckstein 4 Prez · 06-02-2012, 12:37 PM

Another scoring bug, and this one presents even more starkly the sacrifice fly-throwing error bug I've mentioned earlier.

2-2 tie game, bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, nobody out. Batter hits a fly ball to shallow center field. (Location code was 8RS.) Center fielder makes the catch, runner starts for home.

Let's stop here. In reality, this is one of the most exciting plays in baseball: either the runner will be safe at home and the game will end on a walk-off sacrifice fly, or the runner will be out on the double play, the game will continue, and the batter will be credited with a fly out. Those are the only two possibilities left at this point.

If the runner is safe in this situation, it does not matter whether the throw was a bullet to the plate, five feet up the line, or a wild one that ended up in the visiting dugout. It will always be scored the same - sacrifice fly, game over. This is because this is a difficult do-or-die play for the center fielder; it is exactly analogous to a catcher making a throw to second base to catch someone stealing. As long as the base stealer doesn't advance an extra base, the catcher doesn't get an error if the throw is high, off the bag, etc.

(One other nitpick that's fairly minor: in a situation like this where the trailing runners know with 100% certainty that the throw is going to home, they will both be advancing on the fly out as well, so that they will be on second and third if the runner is thrown out at home. The runner going from second to third will do so because they want the winning run 90 feet closer. The guy going from first to second will do so because they want him to stay out of a force out situation.)

Thus, this should be a completely binary situation: sacrifice fly and game over, or fly out and game not over. Instead, the center fielder airmailed the throw and the game scored it as a fly out and an E8, game over. Bizarrely, it also gave the batter an RBI, which is not consistent with that scoring, but of course the proper way to score this is SF, RBI, game over.

06-02-2012, 12:37 PM	#820
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Another scoring bug, and this one presents even more starkly the sacrifice fly-throwing error bug I've mentioned earlier. 2-2 tie game, bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, nobody out. Batter hits a fly ball to shallow center field. (Location code was 8RS.) Center fielder makes the catch, runner starts for home. Let's stop here. In reality, this is one of the most exciting plays in baseball: either the runner will be safe at home and the game will end on a walk-off sacrifice fly, or the runner will be out on the double play, the game will continue, and the batter will be credited with a fly out. Those are the only two possibilities left at this point. If the runner is safe in this situation, it does not matter whether the throw was a bullet to the plate, five feet up the line, or a wild one that ended up in the visiting dugout. It will always be scored the same - sacrifice fly, game over. This is because this is a difficult do-or-die play for the center fielder; it is exactly analogous to a catcher making a throw to second base to catch someone stealing. As long as the base stealer doesn't advance an extra base, the catcher doesn't get an error if the throw is high, off the bag, etc. (One other nitpick that's fairly minor: in a situation like this where the trailing runners know with 100% certainty that the throw is going to home, they will both be advancing on the fly out as well, so that they will be on second and third if the runner is thrown out at home. The runner going from second to third will do so because they want the winning run 90 feet closer. The guy going from first to second will do so because they want him to stay out of a force out situation.) Thus, this should be a completely binary situation: sacrifice fly and game over, or fly out and game not over. Instead, the center fielder airmailed the throw and the game scored it as a fly out and an E8, game over. Bizarrely, it also gave the batter an RBI, which is not consistent with that scoring, but of course the proper way to score this is SF, RBI, game over. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.