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VanillaGorilla · 10-30-2012, 08:23 AM

In the previous class the point was reached where the RL HOF began inducting players who spent all, or a significant portion, of their careers in the Negro Leagues.

For the purposes of this model, players who were inducted based largely on Negro League play are not used to determine the number of entrants in a given year. There was never a color barrier in my randomly generated universe, so there is no need to alter the HOF process based on an inequity that never existed in it.

The RL inductions of Roy Campanella and Jackie Robinson created entries for this HOF because their selection can be based wholly on their MLB careers (though this does not diminish the importance that they did start their careers in a separate and unequal league structure, and this history is important to their complete biographies).

The RL inductions of Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson do not create entries in this HOF. Their plaques are 100% deserving in Coopestown. However, to assign entries for player that were inducted for reasons other than MLB performance when the point of this exercise is to compare the entries statistically from a league that never discriminated against anyone based on skin color to parallel RL entrants who were inducted because their skin color prevented them from playing in the Major Leagues would skew the final statistical output that will be compared following the 2012 inductions.

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Re Lance Blankenship: I am not inserting my subjectivity into the selections. The process is in place and I just let it roll. Whoever gets in gets in. I will make arguments for players that seem less worthy than others, and I can honestly say that while there are some players not in the HOF that are better than than some that are, I could always make a case for myself that justified an entry. That ended with Blankenship.

The back story was not generated by the game. Just me having a little fun with the question that goes to the 'good guys' getting in with lesser stats. How good of a guy will get how much of a nudge?

Blankenship needed more than merely being a good guy to explain his induction (stepping away from the fact that it's just how the selection process works as I have conceived it). He needed to be an all-time GREAT guy. As far as the process of the model goes: He slipped in when the stars aligned.

I cannot make any reasonable argument for his induction based on his career. That the Hall process is at times unreasonable and his selection is through a process that hopes to simulate the RL attributes of selection, in a round-about way, oddly succeeds in approximating this dynamic.

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Gordy Coleman's entry is another neat "what-might-have-been" entry here. Instead of being felled by injuries in his prime, he gets in to this HOF in his first year of eligibility.

Coleman was a second rd draft pick in 1947. As in real life, he was traded at the age of 25 to the team he would stick with. Acquired by the Red Sox following the 1949 season, Coleman played in Boston through 1964. An 8 time All-Star, he led them to the WS in 1955 when he hit .309 with 25 HRs, only to lose to the St Louis Cardinals (who repeated as WS champs that year), the team that traded him.

From 1948 until his retirement in 1966, Coleman hit 464 HRs (11th) and drove in 1383 runs in 2228 games. He hit 40+ HRs in 1950 and 1951, leading the league each of those season. Those years he was also the league leader in RBI.

His career slash line of 296/353/516 gives him a npa OPS+ of 143. He collected 2305 hits for his career.

Not a computer selection, Coleman's Gray Ink number surpassed the Hall average.

Black Ink: 30
Gray Ink: 197
HOFm: 127.5
HOFs: 41

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Ellis Burks was the 4th player drafted in 1942. Though he continued to play in the minor leagues through 1966, he last big league action was in 1964.

Like Coleman, Burks was not a computer selection for the Hall, but he gets in on his first year of eligibility. Burks hit 475 career HRs, the 9th most all-time. Coleman and Burks were 1-2 on the HR list of eligible players who were not already inducted into the Hall.

2858 hits and 1754 RBI (10th) came from a career line of 373/340/373 (npa OPS+ 127).

Burks won 2 WS, in 1947 and 1949 on a White Sox team that featured fellow HOFers Paul Molitor and Jim Gentile.

Also like Coleman, he was an 8 time All-Star. Burks also picked up 5 GG trophies in his career.

Burks exceeded the Hall average in both Gray Ink and HOFs numbers.

Black: 11 (6)
Gray: 215 (45)
HOFm: 107.5 (52)
HOFs: 55 (42)

10-30-2012, 08:23 AM	#59
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 1972, Hitters: Coleman, Burks In the previous class the point was reached where the RL HOF began inducting players who spent all, or a significant portion, of their careers in the Negro Leagues. For the purposes of this model, players who were inducted based largely on Negro League play are not used to determine the number of entrants in a given year. There was never a color barrier in my randomly generated universe, so there is no need to alter the HOF process based on an inequity that never existed in it. The RL inductions of Roy Campanella and Jackie Robinson created entries for this HOF because their selection can be based wholly on their MLB careers (though this does not diminish the importance that they did start their careers in a separate and unequal league structure, and this history is important to their complete biographies). The RL inductions of Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson do not create entries in this HOF. Their plaques are 100% deserving in Coopestown. However, to assign entries for player that were inducted for reasons other than MLB performance when the point of this exercise is to compare the entries statistically from a league that never discriminated against anyone based on skin color to parallel RL entrants who were inducted because their skin color prevented them from playing in the Major Leagues would skew the final statistical output that will be compared following the 2012 inductions. ----- Re Lance Blankenship: I am not inserting my subjectivity into the selections. The process is in place and I just let it roll. Whoever gets in gets in. I will make arguments for players that seem less worthy than others, and I can honestly say that while there are some players not in the HOF that are better than than some that are, I could always make a case for myself that justified an entry. That ended with Blankenship. The back story was not generated by the game. Just me having a little fun with the question that goes to the 'good guys' getting in with lesser stats. How good of a guy will get how much of a nudge? Blankenship needed more than merely being a good guy to explain his induction (stepping away from the fact that it's just how the selection process works as I have conceived it). He needed to be an all-time GREAT guy. As far as the process of the model goes: He slipped in when the stars aligned. I cannot make any reasonable argument for his induction based on his career. That the Hall process is at times unreasonable and his selection is through a process that hopes to simulate the RL attributes of selection, in a round-about way, oddly succeeds in approximating this dynamic. ------------------ Gordy Coleman's entry is another neat "what-might-have-been" entry here. Instead of being felled by injuries in his prime, he gets in to this HOF in his first year of eligibility. Coleman was a second rd draft pick in 1947. As in real life, he was traded at the age of 25 to the team he would stick with. Acquired by the Red Sox following the 1949 season, Coleman played in Boston through 1964. An 8 time All-Star, he led them to the WS in 1955 when he hit .309 with 25 HRs, only to lose to the St Louis Cardinals (who repeated as WS champs that year), the team that traded him. From 1948 until his retirement in 1966, Coleman hit 464 HRs (11th) and drove in 1383 runs in 2228 games. He hit 40+ HRs in 1950 and 1951, leading the league each of those season. Those years he was also the league leader in RBI. His career slash line of 296/353/516 gives him a npa OPS+ of 143. He collected 2305 hits for his career. Not a computer selection, Coleman's Gray Ink number surpassed the Hall average. Black Ink: 30 Gray Ink: 197 HOFm: 127.5 HOFs: 41 ---------- Ellis Burks was the 4th player drafted in 1942. Though he continued to play in the minor leagues through 1966, he last big league action was in 1964. Like Coleman, Burks was not a computer selection for the Hall, but he gets in on his first year of eligibility. Burks hit 475 career HRs, the 9th most all-time. Coleman and Burks were 1-2 on the HR list of eligible players who were not already inducted into the Hall. 2858 hits and 1754 RBI (10th) came from a career line of 373/340/373 (npa OPS+ 127). Burks won 2 WS, in 1947 and 1949 on a White Sox team that featured fellow HOFers Paul Molitor and Jim Gentile. Also like Coleman, he was an 8 time All-Star. Burks also picked up 5 GG trophies in his career. Burks exceeded the Hall average in both Gray Ink and HOFs numbers. Black: 11 (6) Gray: 215 (45) HOFm: 107.5 (52) HOFs: 55 (42) Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 10-30-2012 at 08:44 AM.