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VanillaGorilla · 10-30-2012, 10:12 AM

All five members of this class score below the current Hall composite average, but the average composite score of the 5 entrants is 4.05. The RL HOF average is a 4.

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Ricky Nolasco retired in 1918 and is inducted as 95 year-old. Oddly, he becomes the latest active player inducted.

Side note: I told some friends about this HOF experiment. I said based on it I was predicting the Giants to win the WS because they had the only HOFer in the series, Pablo Sandoval....go figure....

Nolasco was the 13th player taken in the 1898 draft. In his 20 year career he logged a record of 331 wins (17th) and 263 losses while posting an OOTP ERA of 2.52 (npa ERA+ 110). He also racked up 2313 Ks and pitched 45 shutouts (13th).

Nolasco never won a CYA or appeared in an ASG (largely because there wasn't one for 90% of his career) but he did win 3 WS in 3 tries. After winning a title in 1906 (inspite of going 0-2 in that series) with fellow HOFer Hanley Ramirez, Nolasco was traded mid season from the St Louis Browns to the Detroit Tigers and took them to the WS. He pitched 21 innings in 2 starts, getting the win both games. In 1910 he again notched 2 WS wins. He retired with a WS ERA+ of 230. His role on these Tiger teams is highlighted by the fact that no teammates from these squads is in the HOF, and there are no real candidates from them, either.

He overcame a torn rotator cuff early in his career which makes any accomplishment at the big league level amazing.

He also pitched a no-hitter.

Nolasco gets in on the basis of his HOFm and HOFs numbers being above the Hall average.

Black Ink: 23
Gray Ink: 220
HOFm: 178
HOFs: 61

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Sam Gray was the 6th player drafted in 1907, at the age of 26. He did not sign with his drafting team and waited a year to be drafted number 2....by the same Washington Senators team that he rebuffed the previous year.

Debuting as a 27 yo rookie, Gray won the ROY going 22-14, 2.22. The next season, 1910, he won the CYA with a 25-9, 1.88 record.

In 12 seasons he won 209 games while dropping 176. His final year he added 2 wins to this total, but also suffered 10 losses as his 38 yo arm was getting sore. It turned out his labrum was torn, and he retired from the game.

Gray pitched a no hitter and retired with a career npa OPS+ of 108. He gets in on the Veteran Standard.

Black: 12 (6)
Gray: 137 (82)
HOFm: 79 (14)
HOFs: 32 (4)

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At 108 years of age, Kevin Appier accepted his spot in the HOF. Old ball players never die, they just fade off the spreadsheet.

Ape retired in 1906, making his 66 year wait the longest of for anyone to get in the Hall.

He becomes the fifth sub .500 pitcher inducted, but he won 318 games in a career that started in 1884. He lost 326. He pitched 31 shutouts and struck out 2135. He walked 1951. This ratio was a bone of contention for the committee, but it was determined that if Sam Gray could get in with 100 fewer wins and if a 300 game winner had waited longer than Nolasco, then this was the time to grant Appier entry.

His career OOTP ERA of 2.82 gave him a npa ERA+ of 107.

A ROY winner, GG recipient, and 4 time AS, Appier won the CYA in 1886 when he won a career high 27 games while posting a 1.66 OOTP ERA.

Ape's HOFm number exceeds the Hall average.

Black: 25 (4)
Gray: 206 (104)
HOFm: 180.5 (32)
HOFs: 43 (24)

10-30-2012, 10:12 AM	#60
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 1972, Pitchers: Nolasco, Gray, Appier All five members of this class score below the current Hall composite average, but the average composite score of the 5 entrants is 4.05. The RL HOF average is a 4. ---------- Ricky Nolasco retired in 1918 and is inducted as 95 year-old. Oddly, he becomes the latest active player inducted. Side note: I told some friends about this HOF experiment. I said based on it I was predicting the Giants to win the WS because they had the only HOFer in the series, Pablo Sandoval....go figure.... Nolasco was the 13th player taken in the 1898 draft. In his 20 year career he logged a record of 331 wins (17th) and 263 losses while posting an OOTP ERA of 2.52 (npa ERA+ 110). He also racked up 2313 Ks and pitched 45 shutouts (13th). Nolasco never won a CYA or appeared in an ASG (largely because there wasn't one for 90% of his career) but he did win 3 WS in 3 tries. After winning a title in 1906 (inspite of going 0-2 in that series) with fellow HOFer Hanley Ramirez, Nolasco was traded mid season from the St Louis Browns to the Detroit Tigers and took them to the WS. He pitched 21 innings in 2 starts, getting the win both games. In 1910 he again notched 2 WS wins. He retired with a WS ERA+ of 230. His role on these Tiger teams is highlighted by the fact that no teammates from these squads is in the HOF, and there are no real candidates from them, either. He overcame a torn rotator cuff early in his career which makes any accomplishment at the big league level amazing. He also pitched a no-hitter. Nolasco gets in on the basis of his HOFm and HOFs numbers being above the Hall average. Black Ink: 23 Gray Ink: 220 HOFm: 178 HOFs: 61 -------------- Sam Gray was the 6th player drafted in 1907, at the age of 26. He did not sign with his drafting team and waited a year to be drafted number 2....by the same Washington Senators team that he rebuffed the previous year. Debuting as a 27 yo rookie, Gray won the ROY going 22-14, 2.22. The next season, 1910, he won the CYA with a 25-9, 1.88 record. In 12 seasons he won 209 games while dropping 176. His final year he added 2 wins to this total, but also suffered 10 losses as his 38 yo arm was getting sore. It turned out his labrum was torn, and he retired from the game. Gray pitched a no hitter and retired with a career npa OPS+ of 108. He gets in on the Veteran Standard. Black: 12 (6) Gray: 137 (82) HOFm: 79 (14) HOFs: 32 (4) ---------------- At 108 years of age, Kevin Appier accepted his spot in the HOF. Old ball players never die, they just fade off the spreadsheet. Ape retired in 1906, making his 66 year wait the longest of for anyone to get in the Hall. He becomes the fifth sub .500 pitcher inducted, but he won 318 games in a career that started in 1884. He lost 326. He pitched 31 shutouts and struck out 2135. He walked 1951. This ratio was a bone of contention for the committee, but it was determined that if Sam Gray could get in with 100 fewer wins and if a 300 game winner had waited longer than Nolasco, then this was the time to grant Appier entry. His career OOTP ERA of 2.82 gave him a npa ERA+ of 107. A ROY winner, GG recipient, and 4 time AS, Appier won the CYA in 1886 when he won a career high 27 games while posting a 1.66 OOTP ERA. Ape's HOFm number exceeds the Hall average. Black: 25 (4) Gray: 206 (104) HOFm: 180.5 (32) HOFs: 43 (24) Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 11-02-2012 at 12:35 PM.