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VanillaGorilla · 11-05-2012, 06:41 PM

The league has reached the Seattle/Toronto expansion and FA/Arbitration years. More player movement might increase some entrant's HOFm/s scores as they reach a point giving milestone. I hadn't thought of this previously. If there is an impact, however small, it reflects the RL environment and should not impact the final totals when compared to RL.

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Lyman Bostock is one of my favorite players to use in historical games. He always has been. A "what might have been" player if there ever was one.

By all accounts he was a really really good guy. Wrong place, wrong time, RL is done. Welcome to the cornfield, Lyman!

Bostock was drafted by the Athletics, the team I had been managing, but they fired me. I kept a closer tab on how their seasons progressed than others. And I followed Bostock from his ROY Award season of 1956 until he retired in 1971.

Bostock was drafted 8th in 1955. He hit 17 HRs and collected 199 hits while posting a slash line of 337/397/497 for a npa OPS+ of 152.

He finished his career with a .304 BA, .366 OBP, and .441 slg and 2395 hits. His npa OPS+ for his career was a solid HOF 134.

He drove in 100 runs or more 3 times, which was a bit surprising. That he scored 100 runs in each of those seasons, plus 2 others, was not surprising.

He led the league in hits 4 times and won 3 batting titles.

A 6 time All-Star, Bostock won a GG and in 1956 won a WS in his only post season appearance. HOF Pedro Martinez was a 40 yo teammate that season, but Bostock was the star.

Bostock was inducted by the default settings, but he did not get in on the First Ballot screening. However, he does get into the Hall in his first year of eligibility on the basis of his Black Ink numbers being above the Hall average.

If I was playing favorites with the Hall inductions, I would have been very partial to Lyman. But he needed no outside help from me, his numbers are legitimate HOF totals.

Black Ink: 39
Gray Ink: 167
HOFm: 122.5
HOFs: 33

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Willie Davis, like Bostock, was entered by the software's default settings. And like Bostock, he didn't get in on the First Ballot screening, but when he was checked with the normal standard (standard standard??) he also becomes enshrined in his first year of eligibility.

Willie Davis hit 169 triples in his career, leading the legue 6 times (htting a career high 21 in 1962). He does not get in because of his placement on the all-time triples list, he is 34th, there. What is notable is that there is no player in the top 100 that started his career in 1952, or later, except for Davis.

Davis was the 4th over all player taken by the Brooklyn Dodgers (nice) in the 1951 draft.

He won 5 GGs in CF and went to 5 All Star Games.

In 1958 he batted .338 to win the NL batting title. It was his best year from an OPS+ standpoint (npa 162 from obp/slg 381/589).

He batted .300 for his career and also hit 296 HRs.

Also like Bostock, he went to one WS and won. He was helped by fellow HOF teammates King Kelly and Chuck Klein.

Davis gets in by virtue of his HOFs number being above the league average.

Black: 22 (2)
Gray: 181 (64)
HOFm: 107.5 (50)
HOFs: 51 (28)

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Doc Ayers had a nice career, here. He won 246 games. He was an 8 time All Star. The first overall pick in 1937. ROY winner. However, the selection committee has driven itself to drink heavily from all the acrimony amongst the camps.

Ayers lost more games (251) than he won, and walked more (2016) than he struck out (1757). Yet the committee uses the Veteran Standard to induct him. Ayers must have provided some really good hooch for the committee members.

This is a head scratcher.

Black: 11
Gray: 115
HOFm: 95
HOFs: 23

11-05-2012, 06:41 PM	#70
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 1977: Bostock, Davis, Ayers The league has reached the Seattle/Toronto expansion and FA/Arbitration years. More player movement might increase some entrant's HOFm/s scores as they reach a point giving milestone. I hadn't thought of this previously. If there is an impact, however small, it reflects the RL environment and should not impact the final totals when compared to RL. ------------- Lyman Bostock is one of my favorite players to use in historical games. He always has been. A "what might have been" player if there ever was one. By all accounts he was a really really good guy. Wrong place, wrong time, RL is done. Welcome to the cornfield, Lyman! Bostock was drafted by the Athletics, the team I had been managing, but they fired me. I kept a closer tab on how their seasons progressed than others. And I followed Bostock from his ROY Award season of 1956 until he retired in 1971. Bostock was drafted 8th in 1955. He hit 17 HRs and collected 199 hits while posting a slash line of 337/397/497 for a npa OPS+ of 152. He finished his career with a .304 BA, .366 OBP, and .441 slg and 2395 hits. His npa OPS+ for his career was a solid HOF 134. He drove in 100 runs or more 3 times, which was a bit surprising. That he scored 100 runs in each of those seasons, plus 2 others, was not surprising. He led the league in hits 4 times and won 3 batting titles. A 6 time All-Star, Bostock won a GG and in 1956 won a WS in his only post season appearance. HOF Pedro Martinez was a 40 yo teammate that season, but Bostock was the star. Bostock was inducted by the default settings, but he did not get in on the First Ballot screening. However, he does get into the Hall in his first year of eligibility on the basis of his Black Ink numbers being above the Hall average. If I was playing favorites with the Hall inductions, I would have been very partial to Lyman. But he needed no outside help from me, his numbers are legitimate HOF totals. Black Ink: 39 Gray Ink: 167 HOFm: 122.5 HOFs: 33 ---------------- Willie Davis, like Bostock, was entered by the software's default settings. And like Bostock, he didn't get in on the First Ballot screening, but when he was checked with the normal standard (standard standard??) he also becomes enshrined in his first year of eligibility. Willie Davis hit 169 triples in his career, leading the legue 6 times (htting a career high 21 in 1962). He does not get in because of his placement on the all-time triples list, he is 34th, there. What is notable is that there is no player in the top 100 that started his career in 1952, or later, except for Davis. Davis was the 4th over all player taken by the Brooklyn Dodgers (nice) in the 1951 draft. He won 5 GGs in CF and went to 5 All Star Games. In 1958 he batted .338 to win the NL batting title. It was his best year from an OPS+ standpoint (npa 162 from obp/slg 381/589). He batted .300 for his career and also hit 296 HRs. Also like Bostock, he went to one WS and won. He was helped by fellow HOF teammates King Kelly and Chuck Klein. Davis gets in by virtue of his HOFs number being above the league average. Black: 22 (2) Gray: 181 (64) HOFm: 107.5 (50) HOFs: 51 (28) ------------------- Doc Ayers had a nice career, here. He won 246 games. He was an 8 time All Star. The first overall pick in 1937. ROY winner. However, the selection committee has driven itself to drink heavily from all the acrimony amongst the camps. Ayers lost more games (251) than he won, and walked more (2016) than he struck out (1757). Yet the committee uses the Veteran Standard to induct him. Ayers must have provided some really good hooch for the committee members. This is a head scratcher. Black: 11 Gray: 115 HOFm: 95 HOFs: 23 Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 11-05-2012 at 06:43 PM.