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VanillaGorilla · 12-14-2012, 06:29 AM

We now have two Gibsons. Joining previously inducted Bob is Kirk. In a departure from most of the namesakes, these are the two Gibsons I would expect to get in.

In a year where the RL inductee was a borderline candidate, Gibson is the epitome of borderline. He gets in by the narrowest of margins.

I love Andre Dawson, and I mean no slight to his career. A borderline HOF career is a helluva career. Jim Rice had a helluva career, but like Dawson, it took a while for 75% of the voters to agree on his Hall worthiness.

Gibson was the 15th player taken in the 1984 draft. He went to Cleveland. After not getting to the post season with the Tribe, he left as a free agent for the Yankees. Four years there resulted in 0 more post seasons. He signed a big contract with the White Sox. No post seasons in 2 years there. The White Sox cruelly traded him back to Cleveland. He retired without seeing the play-offs. Suffice it to say, the Tribe were back to their historical norm following a fluky 70s dynasty. He saw his last ML action in 2000. He retired in 2003.

Aside from an off year in 1988, Gibson produced throughout his career, wherever he went. Aside from 1988, his lowest npa OPS+ was 110 and he hit at least 20 HRs a year.

For his career he collected 2323 (what was the number on his back in the 1988 Series? Take a wild guess.) hits and belted 427 HRs. He did strike out 2004 times in his career which places him 11th on that list. 12th place holder Miguel Cabrera has 2003.

He slashed 274/359/483 for a npa OPS+ of 127.

While he is the most borderline of candidates, a click on his 'compare' button finds that 7 of the 9 players most similar to him are already in the HOF (Mack Jones, Darryl Strawberry, Walt Bond, Al Rosen, Jackie Warner, Roger Repoz, and Willie Aikens) and an 8th is still active.

That Gibson has 7 of his most similar in the HOF is very encouraging. He gets in as the 205th inductee by being above average in one category (HOFs) by the minimum score needed to be above that average. Yet, even by squeaking by on that one number, he finds himself with similar HOF company. He is technically a floor breaker because of his low Ink scores, but Ink is harder to get in 2010 than it was in 1960.

The RL Hall is based on on voters making comparisons of players seeking entry to those already entered. The static HOF standards of the software make no such consideration. I am smiling because the Gibson induction is just the type of induction I want to see happen at this point. There are players with 3000 hits not in. There are players with 500 HRs not in. That he gets in ahead of those guys is really cool.

It could be argued that some deserve entry before him, but not all of them deserve it ahead of him. This induction sparks debate in the Hall process in this alternate world, and that is exactly what happens in this one. And there will be a LOT of legitimate debate over the class of 2013 IRL, no matter if 20 players get in or 0 get in, or any number in between.

Black Ink: 1 (0)
Gray Ink: 74 (44)
HOFm: 79.5 (16)
HOFs: 49 (22)

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RL HOFer Jimmie Foxx enters the league in 2010.

On May 19, 2009, Babe Ruth signed a 1 year Deal with the Nationals for $ 3.76 million. He hit 36 HRs batting in front of Dave Kingman to bring his career total to 810.

On June 17, 2009, Willie McCovey signed with Pittsburgh for one year at $ 3.62 million.

At the start of the preseason, Ruth and McCovey are both Free Agents. Ruth is asking for $14M per, and McCovey $10M per.

During Spring Training McCovey signed with the Cardinals for 1 year at $5.38M. Bonds and Ruth start the season without teams.

12-14-2012, 06:29 AM	#122
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 2010: Gibson We now have two Gibsons. Joining previously inducted Bob is Kirk. In a departure from most of the namesakes, these are the two Gibsons I would expect to get in. In a year where the RL inductee was a borderline candidate, Gibson is the epitome of borderline. He gets in by the narrowest of margins. I love Andre Dawson, and I mean no slight to his career. A borderline HOF career is a helluva career. Jim Rice had a helluva career, but like Dawson, it took a while for 75% of the voters to agree on his Hall worthiness. Gibson was the 15th player taken in the 1984 draft. He went to Cleveland. After not getting to the post season with the Tribe, he left as a free agent for the Yankees. Four years there resulted in 0 more post seasons. He signed a big contract with the White Sox. No post seasons in 2 years there. The White Sox cruelly traded him back to Cleveland. He retired without seeing the play-offs. Suffice it to say, the Tribe were back to their historical norm following a fluky 70s dynasty. He saw his last ML action in 2000. He retired in 2003. Aside from an off year in 1988, Gibson produced throughout his career, wherever he went. Aside from 1988, his lowest npa OPS+ was 110 and he hit at least 20 HRs a year. For his career he collected 2323 (what was the number on his back in the 1988 Series? Take a wild guess.) hits and belted 427 HRs. He did strike out 2004 times in his career which places him 11th on that list. 12th place holder Miguel Cabrera has 2003. He slashed 274/359/483 for a npa OPS+ of 127. While he is the most borderline of candidates, a click on his 'compare' button finds that 7 of the 9 players most similar to him are already in the HOF (Mack Jones, Darryl Strawberry, Walt Bond, Al Rosen, Jackie Warner, Roger Repoz, and Willie Aikens) and an 8th is still active. That Gibson has 7 of his most similar in the HOF is very encouraging. He gets in as the 205th inductee by being above average in one category (HOFs) by the minimum score needed to be above that average. Yet, even by squeaking by on that one number, he finds himself with similar HOF company. He is technically a floor breaker because of his low Ink scores, but Ink is harder to get in 2010 than it was in 1960. The RL Hall is based on on voters making comparisons of players seeking entry to those already entered. The static HOF standards of the software make no such consideration. I am smiling because the Gibson induction is just the type of induction I want to see happen at this point. There are players with 3000 hits not in. There are players with 500 HRs not in. That he gets in ahead of those guys is really cool. It could be argued that some deserve entry before him, but not all of them deserve it ahead of him. This induction sparks debate in the Hall process in this alternate world, and that is exactly what happens in this one. And there will be a LOT of legitimate debate over the class of 2013 IRL, no matter if 20 players get in or 0 get in, or any number in between. Black Ink: 1 (0) Gray Ink: 74 (44) HOFm: 79.5 (16) HOFs: 49 (22) ============= RL HOFer Jimmie Foxx enters the league in 2010. On May 19, 2009, Babe Ruth signed a 1 year Deal with the Nationals for $ 3.76 million. He hit 36 HRs batting in front of Dave Kingman to bring his career total to 810. On June 17, 2009, Willie McCovey signed with Pittsburgh for one year at $ 3.62 million. At the start of the preseason, Ruth and McCovey are both Free Agents. Ruth is asking for $14M per, and McCovey $10M per. During Spring Training McCovey signed with the Cardinals for 1 year at $5.38M. Bonds and Ruth start the season without teams. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 12-14-2012 at 08:05 AM.