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VanillaGorilla · 02-13-2013, 10:42 PM

I turned on league evolution, and Houston remained in the NL. However, Expansion teams did sprout up in Dallas and Jacksonville. That was cool. Both went to the American League. This has really thrown a new and HUGE variable into the financial structure in the league.

Both teams entered the league with budgets around $90M. Teams didn't protect their high salaried guys. Both teams said, "Screw it" and have payrolls close to $300M. After taking all the superstar salaries that they did, there is only one other team with a salary total over $100M, at this writing, for the 2019 season. Both Dallas and Jax are looking at being $200M in red ink, but they are both STACKED. We will see many entries in about 20 years that were taken in this expansion draft.

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Larry Doyle is the latest multiple entry into the HOF(s), and the first of a pair of noteworthy non-HOFers from the 1910s.

Doyle was the 4th player selected in the 1974 draft. He went to the Padres. He was immediately named the #1 prospect in the league.

In a career that spanned through the 1990 season, Doyle collected 2058 hits and batted .301. Injuries caused him to play in less than 100 games in 7 of his 16 seasons. Counting the partial seasons, he batted over .300 10 times. He only played in 147 games 3 times in his career. He never reached the 200 hit plateau.

Doyle cracked 244 HRs and stole 401 bases (39th). As a 2Bman, Doyle is the career leader in runs with 1164, hits with 2058, TB with 3273, and RBI with 1056. His 190 career errors is also the most for a 2Bman. No, he did not win a Gold Glove.

However, he did win 2 MVPS. Doing what no RL player did, he played 162 games in 1981....he posted a career high 31 HRs, a career high 198 hits, a still standing record for 2Bmen of 137 RBI, and led the league in TB and runs scored (career high 124) while slashing 310/377/515 (npa OPS+ 158).

In his encore 1982 season, he again took home the Barry Bonds Best Batter Award (Brought to you By Balko) as he slashed 336/410/536 (npa OPS+ 169) in 143 games.

His MVP seasons were his only 2 in Milwaukee (which he joined from the Padres as a Free Agent.

Cashing in on the MVPs, he declined his option year and became a Free Agent. He signed with Houston. Though he won no more MVPs, he was a key part of Astros WS winning teams in 1983 and 1984. He is the first player to enter the Hall from those teams. He will not be the last.

Doyle played in 5 AS games as he slashed a career line of 301/377/478. Considering that all but two of his seasons were played in either the Murph or the Dome, his career npa OPS+ of 141 is quite astounding.

Doyle enters by virtue of his HOFs number being above the Hall average.

Black Ink: 11
Gray Ink: 106
HOFm: 110
HOFs: 52

Gorilla Composite: 2.9

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Vic Saier was slected by the Cardinals with the 22nd pick in the 1993 draft. Playing through the 2007 season, Saier won 6 GGs at 1B, was a four time All-Star, and like his classmate, he won two MVPs.

In RL Saier was a triples hitter. Thrown into a late 20th/early 21st century environment, he hit HRs. 473 for his career (22nd).

Saier won his MVPs in 1996 and 1998. However, in 1997 he hit a career high 69 HRs while slashing 311/411/721 (npa OPS+ 196). This was a better year in all categories than his MVP season of the previous campaign. Saier turned it up another notch in 1998 to get the trophy again. He ripped a line f 349/465/713 that gave him a npa OPS+ of 217.

8 times Saier took his team to the post season. Somehow, in spite of hitting .315 and a HR in nearly every 10 post season ABS, Saier never played in a WS.

For his career he slashed 284/381/561(27th) for a npa OPS+ of 149.

Saier gets in on the Veteran Standard, being just a hair ( a hair being a point or two) below the Hall averages in each: Gray Ink, HOFm, HOFs.

This was Saier's first screening, as he was not a software induction. This was also his first year to enter as a Vet. Doyle gets in without using the Veteran Standard, but Saier has the higher GC.

Black Ink: 14
Gray Ink: 131
HOFm: 160
HOFs: 46

Gorilla Composite: 3.4

02-13-2013, 10:42 PM	#26
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 2019 (1947) Hitters: Doyle, Saier I turned on league evolution, and Houston remained in the NL. However, Expansion teams did sprout up in Dallas and Jacksonville. That was cool. Both went to the American League. This has really thrown a new and HUGE variable into the financial structure in the league. Both teams entered the league with budgets around $90M. Teams didn't protect their high salaried guys. Both teams said, "Screw it" and have payrolls close to $300M. After taking all the superstar salaries that they did, there is only one other team with a salary total over $100M, at this writing, for the 2019 season. Both Dallas and Jax are looking at being $200M in red ink, but they are both STACKED. We will see many entries in about 20 years that were taken in this expansion draft. ------------------------------------------ Larry Doyle is the latest multiple entry into the HOF(s), and the first of a pair of noteworthy non-HOFers from the 1910s. Doyle was the 4th player selected in the 1974 draft. He went to the Padres. He was immediately named the #1 prospect in the league. In a career that spanned through the 1990 season, Doyle collected 2058 hits and batted .301. Injuries caused him to play in less than 100 games in 7 of his 16 seasons. Counting the partial seasons, he batted over .300 10 times. He only played in 147 games 3 times in his career. He never reached the 200 hit plateau. Doyle cracked 244 HRs and stole 401 bases (39th). As a 2Bman, Doyle is the career leader in runs with 1164, hits with 2058, TB with 3273, and RBI with 1056. His 190 career errors is also the most for a 2Bman. No, he did not win a Gold Glove. However, he did win 2 MVPS. Doing what no RL player did, he played 162 games in 1981....he posted a career high 31 HRs, a career high 198 hits, a still standing record for 2Bmen of 137 RBI, and led the league in TB and runs scored (career high 124) while slashing 310/377/515 (npa OPS+ 158). In his encore 1982 season, he again took home the Barry Bonds Best Batter Award (Brought to you By Balko) as he slashed 336/410/536 (npa OPS+ 169) in 143 games. His MVP seasons were his only 2 in Milwaukee (which he joined from the Padres as a Free Agent. Cashing in on the MVPs, he declined his option year and became a Free Agent. He signed with Houston. Though he won no more MVPs, he was a key part of Astros WS winning teams in 1983 and 1984. He is the first player to enter the Hall from those teams. He will not be the last. Doyle played in 5 AS games as he slashed a career line of 301/377/478. Considering that all but two of his seasons were played in either the Murph or the Dome, his career npa OPS+ of 141 is quite astounding. Doyle enters by virtue of his HOFs number being above the Hall average. Black Ink: 11 Gray Ink: 106 HOFm: 110 HOFs: 52 Gorilla Composite: 2.9 --------------------------- Vic Saier was slected by the Cardinals with the 22nd pick in the 1993 draft. Playing through the 2007 season, Saier won 6 GGs at 1B, was a four time All-Star, and like his classmate, he won two MVPs. In RL Saier was a triples hitter. Thrown into a late 20th/early 21st century environment, he hit HRs. 473 for his career (22nd). Saier won his MVPs in 1996 and 1998. However, in 1997 he hit a career high 69 HRs while slashing 311/411/721 (npa OPS+ 196). This was a better year in all categories than his MVP season of the previous campaign. Saier turned it up another notch in 1998 to get the trophy again. He ripped a line f 349/465/713 that gave him a npa OPS+ of 217. 8 times Saier took his team to the post season. Somehow, in spite of hitting .315 and a HR in nearly every 10 post season ABS, Saier never played in a WS. For his career he slashed 284/381/561(27th) for a npa OPS+ of 149. Saier gets in on the Veteran Standard, being just a hair ( a hair being a point or two) below the Hall averages in each: Gray Ink, HOFm, HOFs. This was Saier's first screening, as he was not a software induction. This was also his first year to enter as a Vet. Doyle gets in without using the Veteran Standard, but Saier has the higher GC. Black Ink: 14 Gray Ink: 131 HOFm: 160 HOFs: 46 Gorilla Composite: 3.4 Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 02-14-2013 at 01:39 AM. Reason: The 1974 draft was not the first amateur draft. The first was held following the 1973 season, in 1973.