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VanillaGorilla · 02-18-2013, 03:55 AM

I made the previous post in order to succinctly reestablish some concepts that were explained in the previous HOF thread. I am not sure how successful I was at being succinct, but I wanted to acquaint any new followers to these concepts and also explain how the inductions of players by various methods will impact how future players are selected.

It is to this point that I hoped my model would execute. Instead of having a static set of standards for HOF inductions, as is the current model used in OOTP (yes, they are customizable, but they are static until the user adjusts them again), I hoped to come up with a method that is both dynamic and objective.

Why did Burt Blyleven recieve less than 20% approval for entry to the RL HOF in his first three years on the ballot, but 10 years later he gets nearly 80% approval? He didn't retire a single batter in that time. His record was static, but the standard of entry via the voting process is a dynamic one.

Because the RL HOF has dynamic standards, I hoped to create a HOF for OOTP that also has dynamic standards in order to better simulate the HOF induction process. I also wanted to make this process completely objective because if it is completely objective, it is completely programmable.

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You can blame Dusty Baker for the previous post and the introduction to this one.

Baker enters on the slimmest margin possible. He gets in because his HOFs number is JUST above the Hall average. But, that isn't all. The fact that the number he has is just above the Hall average is a function of less than a tenth of a percentage point, otherwise he would need one more HOFs point for entry. If he didn't get in on the Standard Standard, he would not have gotten in. His combined Ink score was not sufficient to meet the VS requirement.

In fact, if ANY of the previous players inducted had just ONE more HOFs point, Baker would not have been entered this year. And there would be no promise that the HOFs number would ever fall back, or if it did, if he would be screened before it went back up.

The narrative can be constructed that the players who received FBS consideration, but did not meet FBS criteria will eventually get in, but the Selection Committee decided, at this time, to honor Baker.

And with Baker entering, future inductees will be considered in the light of Baker being enshrined and this will make it easer for others to enter.

Dusty Baker hit 400 HRs in his career. Not 399 or 401. This places him 47th on the All Time list on the date of his induction. His 2544 hits places him 22nd.

Baker was the 7th player drafted in the 1983 draft. He went to the Red Sox.

A 3 time All Star, Baker won 2 GGs in the OF and in 1990 he won the league MVP as he led the Red Sox to their second title since he joined the team. In 130 games, he slashed 332/412/574 for a npa OPS+ of 175. He hit 31 HRs, drove in 105 and scored 100.

For his career, he slashed 298/368/499 for a npa OPS+ of 137.

Only once did Baker play in more than 146 games in a season. In 1990, he led the league in slg%. This is his only Black Ink score.

Baker epitomizes a bubble pick for the HOF. Under the slightest different of circumstances, numerically, he doesn't get in.

Baker was a good guy, and he does get in in a year where 2 players with better scores received FBS consideration but had personality or off-field issues. The model, here, has effectively simulated RL.

Jimmy Wynn and Mark Baldwin are fellow HOFers who played on both or Baker's WS winning teams. Matt Cain and Ralph Branca were part of the 1986 winning team.

Baker's numbers are as close to being that of a floor breaker without being an actual floor breaker. Baker retired following the 2002 season.

Black Ink: 3 (0)
Gray Ink: 65 (47)
HOFm: 120.5 (25)
HOFs: 49 (24)

Gorilla Composite: 2.4 (1.0)

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Jimmy Walsh becomes the 14th player to be entered in this HOF who was entered in the previous HOF.

Walsh was drafted by the Royals with the 13th pick in the 1999 draft.

He left KC in 2006 to join the Braves as a Free Agent. He made a stop in St Louis before returning to Kansas City in 2013. He retired as a Royal after the 2014 season.

In his career he hit 413 HRs. That places him 43rd on the All Time list. He played over 1500 games a catcher. His 361 HRs as a C are 4th most in league history.

For his career, he slashed 307/353/546 for a npa OPS+ of 138. His 518 career doubles is 18th most, All Time. That places him one slot above Inaugural HOFer Gary Sheffield, in that category.

A six time All-Star, Walsh hit 30 or more HRs 8 times in his career. He won WS titles with the Royals in 2002 and 2004. Inaugural HOFer George Davies was a teammate on both squads. Fellow Two Time HOFer Duke Snider was a teammate in 2002.

Walsh enters with HOFm and HOFs numbers above the current Hall averages.

Black Ink: 3
Gray Ink: 104
HOFm: 207.5
HOFs: 68

Gorilla Composite: 3.6

02-18-2013, 03:55 AM	#32
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Class of 2023 (1951): Baker, Walsh I made the previous post in order to succinctly reestablish some concepts that were explained in the previous HOF thread. I am not sure how successful I was at being succinct, but I wanted to acquaint any new followers to these concepts and also explain how the inductions of players by various methods will impact how future players are selected. It is to this point that I hoped my model would execute. Instead of having a static set of standards for HOF inductions, as is the current model used in OOTP (yes, they are customizable, but they are static until the user adjusts them again), I hoped to come up with a method that is both dynamic and objective. Why did Burt Blyleven recieve less than 20% approval for entry to the RL HOF in his first three years on the ballot, but 10 years later he gets nearly 80% approval? He didn't retire a single batter in that time. His record was static, but the standard of entry via the voting process is a dynamic one. Because the RL HOF has dynamic standards, I hoped to create a HOF for OOTP that also has dynamic standards in order to better simulate the HOF induction process. I also wanted to make this process completely objective because if it is completely objective, it is completely programmable. -------------------------- You can blame Dusty Baker for the previous post and the introduction to this one. Baker enters on the slimmest margin possible. He gets in because his HOFs number is JUST above the Hall average. But, that isn't all. The fact that the number he has is just above the Hall average is a function of less than a tenth of a percentage point, otherwise he would need one more HOFs point for entry. If he didn't get in on the Standard Standard, he would not have gotten in. His combined Ink score was not sufficient to meet the VS requirement. In fact, if ANY of the previous players inducted had just ONE more HOFs point, Baker would not have been entered this year. And there would be no promise that the HOFs number would ever fall back, or if it did, if he would be screened before it went back up. The narrative can be constructed that the players who received FBS consideration, but did not meet FBS criteria will eventually get in, but the Selection Committee decided, at this time, to honor Baker. And with Baker entering, future inductees will be considered in the light of Baker being enshrined and this will make it easer for others to enter. Dusty Baker hit 400 HRs in his career. Not 399 or 401. This places him 47th on the All Time list on the date of his induction. His 2544 hits places him 22nd. Baker was the 7th player drafted in the 1983 draft. He went to the Red Sox. A 3 time All Star, Baker won 2 GGs in the OF and in 1990 he won the league MVP as he led the Red Sox to their second title since he joined the team. In 130 games, he slashed 332/412/574 for a npa OPS+ of 175. He hit 31 HRs, drove in 105 and scored 100. For his career, he slashed 298/368/499 for a npa OPS+ of 137. Only once did Baker play in more than 146 games in a season. In 1990, he led the league in slg%. This is his only Black Ink score. Baker epitomizes a bubble pick for the HOF. Under the slightest different of circumstances, numerically, he doesn't get in. Baker was a good guy, and he does get in in a year where 2 players with better scores received FBS consideration but had personality or off-field issues. The model, here, has effectively simulated RL. Jimmy Wynn and Mark Baldwin are fellow HOFers who played on both or Baker's WS winning teams. Matt Cain and Ralph Branca were part of the 1986 winning team. Baker's numbers are as close to being that of a floor breaker without being an actual floor breaker. Baker retired following the 2002 season. Black Ink: 3 (0) Gray Ink: 65 (47) HOFm: 120.5 (25) HOFs: 49 (24) Gorilla Composite: 2.4 (1.0) -------------------------------------- Jimmy Walsh becomes the 14th player to be entered in this HOF who was entered in the previous HOF. Walsh was drafted by the Royals with the 13th pick in the 1999 draft. He left KC in 2006 to join the Braves as a Free Agent. He made a stop in St Louis before returning to Kansas City in 2013. He retired as a Royal after the 2014 season. In his career he hit 413 HRs. That places him 43rd on the All Time list. He played over 1500 games a catcher. His 361 HRs as a C are 4th most in league history. For his career, he slashed 307/353/546 for a npa OPS+ of 138. His 518 career doubles is 18th most, All Time. That places him one slot above Inaugural HOFer Gary Sheffield, in that category. A six time All-Star, Walsh hit 30 or more HRs 8 times in his career. He won WS titles with the Royals in 2002 and 2004. Inaugural HOFer George Davies was a teammate on both squads. Fellow Two Time HOFer Duke Snider was a teammate in 2002. Walsh enters with HOFm and HOFs numbers above the current Hall averages. Black Ink: 3 Gray Ink: 104 HOFm: 207.5 HOFs: 68 Gorilla Composite: 3.6 Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 02-18-2013 at 05:55 AM.