[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by RandyMyers

It is very typical when someone tries so hard to force their argument, even if it is without merit, that they eventually turn to insults.

Hey, you're the one who said the thread made you laugh. If you can't stand the gibes, stay out of the giggles, or some such.

My opinions come from following baseball for over 50 years.

And yet they're still just opinions. They're not supported by the facts, nor do they make your predictions of imminent DH-ing in the NL any more relevant. (Nor do they make your insistence that we all bow before your opinions and predictions any less offensive.)

(Facts you got wrong last time:

• Most fans don't support expanding the DH to the NL
• The non-DH league is not a "few remaining holdouts", but rather the majority of the clubs, and the more successful league.
•*The NL doesn't have an advantage in interleague play
• The NL doesn't have an advantage in World Series play)

I have wrote graduate level papers on baseball strategy, computer software for statistics tracking, etc.

Damn, I hope you used better English than "have wrote", or I'm worried for the future of academia. (Also "graduate-level" takes a hyphen, as noted here.)

I don't consider myself an expert, but I also don't consider myself an idiot.

Nobody called you an idiot. You were wrong on the facts, unsupported in your opinions, and persistent in predicting The Coming of the DH to the NL, Really Soon, This Time, We Swear, Get With the Program, You Jerks! without any regard to how people such as you have been wrong in their bullying ways for decades, but no one called you an idiot.

I was a pitcher through college level competition.

"Well, here's an interesting angle: who cares?"

I enjoy a good pitching dual, but I also want a fair competition. With a vast majority of pitchers throughout baseball history, this has not been fair.

It's fair by definition; both teams have to follow the same set of rules.

And it's fair that the pitcher has to make up for his inability at the plate by being more valuable through his pitching, just as Oritz should have to make up for his uselessness in the field by being valuable at the plate. (Did you catch Pedroia's comments in 2011 when the Sox were in Philadelphia and Francona tried putting Adrian Gonzalez in RF and Ortiz at 1B to get both those bats in the line-up? I think Dustin nearly walked back to Boston in disgust.) That's as fair as it gets.

Yes there are exceptions; for every Catfish Hunter there are 100 who have no business standing at the plate against major league pitchers.

The A's pitcher who hit the crap out of the ball in the 1973-1974 World Series was Ken Holtzman, not Catfish. Weren't you following the game back then? Maybe MLB just needs more Jewish pitchers.

(Sandy Koufax, 1955: 0-for-12, 12 Ks. So maybe not.)

The DH has been used in most baseball leagues for over 40 years now

And the NL is currently in its 140th DH-free season. History really isn't on your side here, trust me.

and no matter how much some people stomp their feet and throw fits it is not going to change.

Except that YOU are the one "stomp[ing] [your] feet" and "[throwing] fits" and demanding that everyone just accept the DH even though you and your fellow "it's inevitable!" screamers have been wrong on this before.

Every.Single.Frickin'.Time.

Koufax kept going to the plate when he was batting .000 because Walter Alston made him. What's your excuse?

Eventually all of baseball will use the DH as another important position, not some "over-the-hill-fat-ass-fat-contract guys who hide in the dugout for virtually the entire game, are really not that popular and fans would prefer to see them go".

Eventually, all of baseball will be played by androids manufactured on the planet Zorgon, playing in anti-gravity fields to allow for true four-dimensional strategy (gotta know when to use that time-travel to cut off rallies before they start!) and the androids will all be exactly identical, so it's impossible to tell who is playing any "position" at any time.

See, I can make up unjustified "predictions" just as easily as you. Aren't you proud of me?

In actuality, professional DH players are very popular with their respective teams.

In actuality, the only DH who sold any merchandise, even for fans of his own team, was Ortiz in 2014 because of his 2013 post-season, and even then he was barely ahead of Pedroia, as Sawx Nation split their merchandise "vote" pretty evenly. In 2013, Ortiz wasn't on the list of top-selling jerseys at all.

But Matt Harvey was in the Top 5. I guess Mets fans don't mind seeing Matt "embarrass" himself at the plate, after all.

ETA: I keep mentioning that Ortiz is a liability on the basepaths, so why aren't you campaigning for a Designated Runner to chug around so Papi doesn't have to? Bring back Herb Washington!

(Yes, Herb is currently 63 years old. I think he's still faster than Ortiz, though.)