I pulled up this post from September because I had been searching for it for days after glancing at it last week - looking for confirmation regarding the cutoff year for the red discoloration in TV photos, and it's the same as my own observations - anything pre-1966 is typically discolored.
I've been working hard without consistent success to find a formulaic way to fix the reddish haze that permeates the older TV photos. In researching it, it's apparently the fact that the blue and green dyes fade away first - they're much less permanent than the red dyes used in production.
I know there are a few guys here who are good at fixing these (FatJack and tnfoto, for example). One approach I just read about was to clean out as much red as possible first, and then use the color balancing tool (the one that has separate settings for highlights, midranges and shadows) to balance out what remains (using the RGB spectrum). Even when it works, it still doesn't look especially natural. It's unfortunate, because the photos would look so great otherwise.
Anyway, if any of the other people who like to re-touch these photos are interested, a separate thread on techniques would be very helpful.
The bonus with the quoted post was that it also discussed the Fred Newman issue I posted about the other day
Edit - here's a pair of new ones I just did using old-school PSP7 and the the techniques from
this link
Stuart was much easier than Oliver.
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Originally Posted by Merkle923
The images are from 1966.
The Angels didn't change their "city/state" name until September 3, 1965, several weeks after the club's last visit to Cleveland (although there is some photographic evidence that the team had at least a prototype "CA" hat by the time of its trip to Detroit a week or two before the change).
Also, if Topps had photographed the Angels in CA caps in Cleveland in 1965 they would've used them in the 1966 card set. Newman, like nearly every other Angels player, appears capless or with a blacked out logo.
There are also several 1967 cards depicting the Angels in Municipal Stadium in Cleveland (Minnie Rojas comes to mind).
And - most easily for establishing a date for Topps images - remember that with the exception of some taken in San Francisco and a handful of others, ALL pre-1966 negatives "turned" to some degree into those awful red/brown discolored messes that ruin the otherwise great work. There is no explanation for this - could have been bad film stock, or bad storage, or who knows what - but even by 1967 the discoloration had begun and shows up on some cards. The 1967 Dave Boswell image - taken by Don Wingfield in Baltimore in 1965 - had already begun to go bad by the time Topps printed it less than two years later. There are a couple of later shoots - Brewers in spring training 1972 for instance - that have since gotten a little brown.
So rule of thumb: if the colors are natural, the odds are 99% that the image is 1966 or later. And if they aren't, the odds are 99% it's from 1965 or before.
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