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Originally Posted by Dyzalot
How many of them played 5+ years of pro ball without a single start then were declared by the scouts as one of the best starters in the league before ever starting a game?
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Originally Posted by Dyzalot
Again, my example is of a guy who pitched for 8 years professionally & always had 3 pitches but never had the stamina to start until he turned 29.
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Derek Lowe, Phil Neikro, Ron Gudry, Herb Pennock, Dave Stewart, and bunches of other people who have been posted.
Guidry was 25-3, won the CY, a year after he left the bullpen.
Lowe was 21-8 directly from the bullpen.
Neikro led the league in ERA directly from the bullpen.
Pennock was 16-8 directly from the bullpen.
Stewart was 20-13 one year after he left.
All of them were relievers and had always been so or had been so for years. Two of them are in the HoF.
Oh and hey... let's talk about Wilbur Wood. 10 years in the majors. 344 relief appearances and 21 starts. In 1968-1970, he led the AL in games each year. At age 29, he went directly to starting in 1971, 22-13, 334 IP, 1.91 ERA, led the league in ERA+. I guess he doesn't count because... umm...well, for some reason.
Sorry. Relievers do become stars as starters very late in their careers at 25-26-27-28-29. Real life says so.