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Originally Posted by actionjackson
What are "The King"'s other numbers like? I don't even believe (I'm probably in the minority on this one) that pitchers need to reach 200 wins, as long as their other stats demonstrate a pattern of excellence, in order to be seriously considered for the HoF.
Perhaps my opinion derives from the fact that I believe Dave Stieb deserves a place in the HoF, despite only having 176 Wins. The man has a 122 ERA+, and in my mind (you may not agree, which is fine) was the pitcher of the 1980s. I'd say it goes something like Stieb, Clemens, Blyleven, Gooden and Morris. Stieb, Blyleven and Morris were the only three of this quintet to pitch through the entire decade, but Clemens and Gooden were sooo dominant in the six years that they pitched in (1984-1989) that they have to be in the conversation too.
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He is 196-127 5 saves, 3.28, 125 ERA+ 1644 strikeouts, 899 walks, 1.25
WHIP, 75.2 WAR. 4 time league champion. 147 complete games. Debuted at age 26