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Buchs · 03-08-2018, 11:56 AM

okay, so I didn't do a lot of testing with any other teams besides the Florida Panthers, so it is possible that this issue is limited to the Panthers, but seems more like a role evaluation issue to me.

I tried all PK tactics and it seems to be by far back checking forward is the primary role used on PK. I'm not entirely sure what goes into that rating but i'm not sure it is rating defensive players well. I think this is what is causing my defensive players to not get PK time while I have the AI putting players that are pretty bad defensively in there instead resulting in very bad PK performance.

I used the Florida Panthers for testing since I am most familiar with that team and that is who I was playing when I applied the latest update. before the update, my defensive players where getting regular PK time. The real panthers primary PK duo is MacKenzie and Sceviour. These guys usually got PK time in my game before the update. I think the ratings on those guys look about right to me. Sceviour especially is rated as a fairly good defensive player. Neither one of those guys make it into the AI evaluation for PK on any tactic when my roster is healthy now. consistently guys like huberdeau, Malgin, even Bjugstad get rated ahead of Sceviour although he has better defensive ratings and usually at least equal or close speed rating. I did some testing where I undressed guys ahead of them in the PK and still found that McCann, Brickley, and even Vrbata would get in ahead of Sceviour. I even tweeked his speed up a couple points to be better than a couple guys in front of him to see if that was the issue. I did the same by increasing his stick checking and position ratings by a point (which by the way was already equal or better than all the guys in front of him) and he was still behind these guys in AI evaluation.

I know its a small sample size, but letting the AI simulate 3 seasons Panthers were ranked 28th, 29th, and 22nd in PK. I did 2 more seasons with MacKenzie and Sceviour as my top PK pair (like real life) and finished 9th and 16th in PK. So it seems at least likely to me that poor defensive players getting on the PK is at least hurting some teams like the Panthers. I also think that bad FO players probably having an affect also. Like I said in my original post I had a guy with a 11 and a 13 in FO together on the 2nd PK line and it was like 2 of my worst 4 forwards for face offs.

Can you tell me what goes into the back checking forward rating?

on a side note Huberdeau is criminally under rated for offensive roles now. he is a 3/3 for all offensive roles. I seems like his ratings look okay, so i'm not sure why he can't even eke out a 4 in any offensive role.it does put him on my first line, but seeing a legit first line guy not even able to rate as a second liner (4/4) seems weird.

03-08-2018, 11:56 AM	#4
Buchs Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 43	okay, so I didn't do a lot of testing with any other teams besides the Florida Panthers, so it is possible that this issue is limited to the Panthers, but seems more like a role evaluation issue to me. I tried all PK tactics and it seems to be by far back checking forward is the primary role used on PK. I'm not entirely sure what goes into that rating but i'm not sure it is rating defensive players well. I think this is what is causing my defensive players to not get PK time while I have the AI putting players that are pretty bad defensively in there instead resulting in very bad PK performance. I used the Florida Panthers for testing since I am most familiar with that team and that is who I was playing when I applied the latest update. before the update, my defensive players where getting regular PK time. The real panthers primary PK duo is MacKenzie and Sceviour. These guys usually got PK time in my game before the update. I think the ratings on those guys look about right to me. Sceviour especially is rated as a fairly good defensive player. Neither one of those guys make it into the AI evaluation for PK on any tactic when my roster is healthy now. consistently guys like huberdeau, Malgin, even Bjugstad get rated ahead of Sceviour although he has better defensive ratings and usually at least equal or close speed rating. I did some testing where I undressed guys ahead of them in the PK and still found that McCann, Brickley, and even Vrbata would get in ahead of Sceviour. I even tweeked his speed up a couple points to be better than a couple guys in front of him to see if that was the issue. I did the same by increasing his stick checking and position ratings by a point (which by the way was already equal or better than all the guys in front of him) and he was still behind these guys in AI evaluation. I know its a small sample size, but letting the AI simulate 3 seasons Panthers were ranked 28th, 29th, and 22nd in PK. I did 2 more seasons with MacKenzie and Sceviour as my top PK pair (like real life) and finished 9th and 16th in PK. So it seems at least likely to me that poor defensive players getting on the PK is at least hurting some teams like the Panthers. I also think that bad FO players probably having an affect also. Like I said in my original post I had a guy with a 11 and a 13 in FO together on the 2nd PK line and it was like 2 of my worst 4 forwards for face offs. Can you tell me what goes into the back checking forward rating? on a side note Huberdeau is criminally under rated for offensive roles now. he is a 3/3 for all offensive roles. I seems like his ratings look okay, so i'm not sure why he can't even eke out a 4 in any offensive role.it does put him on my first line, but seeing a legit first line guy not even able to rate as a second liner (4/4) seems weird.