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Originally Posted by Argonaut
Although I agree the sliding scale for Stuff should be changed, there's no need for this kind of extreme. As is there's not enough usage on the lower end of the scale; i.e. 40 Stuff and below is very rare for pitcher cards.
Chien-Ming Wang is one of the most popular cards on the AH right now, and he has a mere 30 Stuff. The year of the card he had 3.1 K/9. Meanwhile power-pitching king Randy Johnson had a career K/9 of 10.6. So you could base the scale around something like that.
Obviously you'd have to adjust for era and for position players not being able to come in and throw 3.0 K/9 with the lowest Stuff rating. But currently there's too many cards clustered around 128 Stuff.
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I'm not saying Hader should be at cap. I'm just saying the actual cap shouldn't be obtainable. Striking out everyone you face should be the cap. While nobody is going to do that you'll have the ability to scale a player like Hader better. Just because Wang had a 3.1 and Johnson a 10.6 shouldn't mean everyone else has to be within a certain range. Hader is 16.85/9 k's currently. I get the argument that he isn't facing the best hitters that ever lived every game like he would be in this game so there has to be a balance. My biggest concern isn't how he would do against the best of the best its how's he done against the people he's facing in real life. Arguably he's the best reliever in the mlb, but according to their ratings he's about the 45th best live reliever.
Hader has allowed 7 homers in 41.2 innings which is higher than most. What the algorithm being used likely doesn't consider is the 8 hits he's allowed outside of the homers. 15 total hits in 41.2 innings is ridiculous. The model is FIP based I'm sure so era, whip and hits aren't considered. He's also got a better bb/9 than both Giles and Chapman. Yet they both have a better control rating. The only thing they're better at statistically is hr/9. Yet they're 100 and 99 respectively but because he's given up a few more homers he's a lowly 73.
Hader has a 1.51/9 homer rate. Verlander has a 1.73/9. While he is a 95. He is virtually unplayable at the perfect level because of that. Similar to Hader he's dominate in every facet of the game besides hr/9.
People aren't looking for Chien-Ming Wang because they want to play him. They're trying to complete an easy collection and he's the only non-live card.