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Originally Posted by kevin95630
I imagine this has come up before, but I was not able to track down a thread on it, so here goes....
I'm thoroughly baffled by the historical player ratings. Coming out of the APBA tradition, I am accustomed to a high degree of accuracy in the ratings, and finding them perplexingly lacking in OOTP.
While I greatly appreciate the depth of this game, I can't figure how the ratings are intended to correlate to IRL performance.
Two examples I have recently encountered are the 1972 Clay Carroll and the 1963 Jim Bouton.
In 72, Carroll was an ace in the Cincinnati bullpen. 37 saves in 92 IP, an ERA of 2.25 and other stats in line with an awesome rating (he was an A* in APBA). Yet his OOTP rating is fairly lackluster.
Bouton in 63 was 21-7 for the Yankees, with an ERA of 2.53. He famously threw his arm out with his fastball that he threw so hard his hat would come off. And yet his rating in OOTP is similarly lackluster. He's not even rated for having a fastball!
The Perfect Team rating for both is rather abysmal. All very puzzling.
Even more puzzling to me is that both pitchers have outperformed their ratings in sims I've done, though still underperforming their IRL stats.
Historical sim is my primary attraction to OOTP or any other sim, so this sort of shortcoming is particularly vexing to me. Thoughts?
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I can confirm that Bouton does not have a fastball in his repertoire in OOTP, at least upon import as a rookie. His OOTP repertoire:
Curveball
Changeup
Circle Change
Knuckle Curve
RL repertoire (according to the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers):
Fastball
Overhand Curve (Curveball in OOTP I guess)
Changeup
Knuckleball
His fastball died in late 1964, and he added in a changeup to compensate for that. The knuckleball became a pitch he went to almost exclusively from 1969 forward. It's possible that a column in the database for one of those pitches got a rating, while his fastball did not. That's the only thing I can think of that might help rectify the lack of a fastball, and if that's the problem, the people in charge of the database (can't remember if Spritze is still doing this or not) would have to go into the database and fix it. This could also be being affected by your settings, though I'm not sure where to start if that's the case.
I don't know anything about PT, but I do know that if you're in a league with uber-talented players, and very few stiffs, guys like Bouton and Carroll are probably going to get pummelled. I've heard of great pitchers having 5ish ERAs in PT, and partly for this reason, I don't touch it with a ten foot pole.
I learned a long time ago to not expect APBA/Strat type stat outcomes from OOTP. Many things will affect this as mentioned above. I highly recommend setting your Game Settings > League Settings > Historical > Historical Player Ratings > Ratings recalculation base to
1 year in order to give yourself a chance to get the outcomes that you're looking for. I think the default is
3 years. 3 years will result in ratings based on the year before the year in question, the year in question, and the year after the year in question. In your Bouton case that would be 1962/1963/1964, whereas with 1 year, the ratings would be based on 1963 exclusively. Same thing with Carroll, except the years would be 1971/1972/1973 rather than 1972 exclusively. That should help a lot if you don't already have it setup that way.