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Old 05-20-2020, 09:00 AM   #43
QuantaCondor
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Originally Posted by DonMattingly View Post
F2P teams aren't going to have any whales, and whales are the most upsetting force in the game as far as balance goes. Whales in a F2P league would win almost every year, there is no substitute for being able to spend.

And you might want to notice I said "there aren't enough of those now". If F2P league formation was more of a thing, it wouldn't only be a small group of people who are the most enthusiastic about the game and hence have good strategies. Unfortunately there is no easy way now to find/form F2P leagues and only a few people use them. If it was an option when you created your PT account that was simple to choose, a lot more people would use them and your argument about uber strategists wouldn't be valid.

You still get a fairer chance to compete against any F2P team than whales. Take your choice - every opponent is tough but fair, or you play some patsies, but also get smoked by whales with pretty much no chance to win. You can at least look at the teams in F2P leagues and learn from them and improve your own strategies. You can't look at whale rosters and learn anything, other than that's what you get if you open up your wallet.
It's hard to actually know who is a whale. Especially when people can sell cards and load their rosters up, you have no clue. What if someone just ripped a Tris and a Mays or something? Impossible to tell.

But, let's say a team couldn't sell their packed expensive cards like in BFF. Could they still look like whales? Well, here are 3 F2P teams for some context.

The one with the Lenny has about 1M PP of assets on hand not counting tournament rosters and the cards shown here. The one with the DiMaggio/Gibson probably has at least 500k of assets on hand. I'm not as sure about the one with the Mookie, but I'd guess it's probably at least 100k. None of these teams are allowed to sell packed pulls of any real value.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean about F2P leagues being hard to find. OL is pretty active on the forums and they have like 30 teams. BFF is even more active and we have like 50 teams (all from different managers).

Lastly, even with a ton of PP, there are still managerial decisions you can learn about. The top whales don't necessarily know what cards are the best even with an infinite budget. Any kind of mid level whale probably doesn't have a strong understanding either (I mean, it's a hard question to answer for anyone). But by looking at their term performance and team construction you can see what performs well and what doesn't. Whales are players just like the rest of us.

EDIT: In terms of "balance", I don't know how a whale could be much different from these F2P teams. Each one won like 120-140 games at each level on the way up. How different is that from your mental image of what a whale looks like/does on the way up?
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