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Garlon · 02-22-2021, 12:06 AM

This is something that needs some testing as Matt mentioned.

In the file I have I took the 10 worst seasons by 2B at turning double plays and they averaged -25 double plays turned for the season with a relative rate compared to the league of 0.76, so they turned 76% as many double plays as expected.

For the top 10 seasons, they are averaging +28 and are at 1.32 relative to the league, so they are 32% better than expected.

Keep in mind that these players are part of a double play combination, so the SS on these teams are about the same too. You could realistically credit about each partner with being responsible for half the turns on the double play. So if I take these 10 worst 2B and pair them with an average SS then that makes about -12 double plays turned by the team for the season. If we pair the top 10 2B with an average SS we should gain about +14 double plays for the team.

In fact I just looked at the same information for SS and the results are the same for the +/- double plays turned and the percentage relative to the league for the best and worst seasons.

I think that a few versions ago of OOTP I posted about how the middle infielders were performing far too strong and turning way too many double plays and perhaps this was adjusted in the game. We have this information that suggest we are basically between 0.76 and 1.32 relative to the league for any actual 2B or SS.

From there this needs to be calibrated within the game so that we are getting these results approximately.

So if you play a 3Bmen out of position at 2B how poorly should they perform? My suggestion would be no worse than what the worst 2B can do simply for balancing purposes. A 3Bmen out of position is going to perform very poorly in terms of other fielding plays though too.

You should conduct this test using a historical season so that the league totals modifiers are being applied to the results.

02-22-2021, 12:06 AM	#41
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,368	This is something that needs some testing as Matt mentioned. In the file I have I took the 10 worst seasons by 2B at turning double plays and they averaged -25 double plays turned for the season with a relative rate compared to the league of 0.76, so they turned 76% as many double plays as expected. For the top 10 seasons, they are averaging +28 and are at 1.32 relative to the league, so they are 32% better than expected. Keep in mind that these players are part of a double play combination, so the SS on these teams are about the same too. You could realistically credit about each partner with being responsible for half the turns on the double play. So if I take these 10 worst 2B and pair them with an average SS then that makes about -12 double plays turned by the team for the season. If we pair the top 10 2B with an average SS we should gain about +14 double plays for the team. In fact I just looked at the same information for SS and the results are the same for the +/- double plays turned and the percentage relative to the league for the best and worst seasons. I think that a few versions ago of OOTP I posted about how the middle infielders were performing far too strong and turning way too many double plays and perhaps this was adjusted in the game. We have this information that suggest we are basically between 0.76 and 1.32 relative to the league for any actual 2B or SS. From there this needs to be calibrated within the game so that we are getting these results approximately. So if you play a 3Bmen out of position at 2B how poorly should they perform? My suggestion would be no worse than what the worst 2B can do simply for balancing purposes. A 3Bmen out of position is going to perform very poorly in terms of other fielding plays though too. You should conduct this test using a historical season so that the league totals modifiers are being applied to the results.