[Furious]

Originally Posted by Garlon

As for the issue of these players who have no business at 2B and still turning double plays, is this really an issue when these players are going to end up with like a 0.75 defensive efficiency and miss 100 grounders and end up -70 defensive runs for the season? Please post their defensive runs and defensive efficiency from these results.

I wasn’t the one who conducted the study that put outfielders at second base, so I don’t have the statistics you are asking for, but what you are saying is helping to prove my point. The non-second basemen in that study had terrible IF Range ratings, terrible IF Error ratings, and terrible IF Arm ratings to go along with their terrible Turn DP ratings, and they probably put up terrible Range stats, terrible ZR’s, terrible Fielding Pcts., and terrible EFF’s. What they didn’t put up were terrible double play stats. That’s because the other component ratings actually affect the statistics a lot, while the Turn DP rating hardly affects them at all.

The study I did, which was in response to Isryion’s use of a player actually created by OOTP, looked at a player who had normal Range, Error, and Arm ratings for a second baseman, but a poor Turn DP Rating. Those stats were posted in the attachment in the post that started this thread. All his defensive stats were acceptable for a second baseman, including his double play stats. Because the Turn DP rating barely does anything. (Or have I said that already?)

Originally Posted by Garlon

So if you want to use an OF at 2B you can do that but you just lost 7 games from poor defense.

So what you’re saying is “don’t use players with bad IF components ratings at second base; it’ll cost you dearly.” You are correct—except in the case of a bad Turn DP rating. That will cost you almost nothing.