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It was noted on the Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack thread that a team photo of the 1913 St. Louis Terriers, a minor league in the league's first season, is up for sale on Heritage Auctions. The players are identified in the photo from left to right:

Reis, Jones, Miller, Kempin, Walden, Hohnhorst, Green, Collins, Pfyl, O'Connor, Rehmer, Mullin, Gwinn, Stis, Prout, Carmen, Murphy, and Barton.

The photo looks to have been taken in late May or early June of 1913; pretty much that entire group played in the game on May 28 for the Terriers in St. Louis, and Carmen made his lone appearance with the club a few days later.

Jones was the alias for Leo Witterstaetter.
Mullin was the alias for Jack Ridgway.
Collins was the alias for Jack Mertens.

My question is about Carmen. He is identified on Baseball Reference as George T. Carmen (carmen002---). After doing some research, I concluded he was likely George Carmen (carmen001geo), a left-handed pitcher with London, Saginaw and Hamilton in the Michigan-Ontario League from 1920-1925. That George Carmen was from the St. Louis area originally (Manchester, MO per an article from 1916), and the Carmen for the Terriers later played with a club from Festus MO (right next to Manchester west of St. Louis) in 1913. However, suspecting is not proving.

Now there is a photo of Carmen with the Terriers, and there is a photo of Carmen with London in 1920. Are they the same person? I think so, but then I want it to be so. Can I get an objective opinion?

(I'm trying to get a better blow-up of the Terriers photo...)