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Old 03-29-2024, 08:35 AM   #260
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Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan View Post
Turning to the remaining identifications suggested on the net54 site am highly sceptical of the Ham Hyatt identification and not convinced in respect of Bill Mckechnie.

First stab in respect of new identifications. Ona Dodd fourth from left in back row. Everett Booe fourth from right on the ground. Howie Camnitz extreme right on ground, he has a habit of wearing his cap at an angle. Billy Kelly seventh from right in top row. Harry Gardner third from left top row. Ray Jansen sixth from right in top row.
1912 Pittsburgh Pirates spring training

I disagree about the player in the bottom row on the extreme right. He has a higher forehead and more prominent ears than I've noticed on Howie Camnitz, and most tellingly, he is the only player not wearing a Pittsburgh cap. Camnitz had played for the Pirates every season since 1906. I don't have an ID for him, but I believe he is someone who had played for a different team in 1911.

The player in the bottom row, fourth from the left, who had been identified as Ham Hyatt, I believe to be Ralph Capron. (I have Hyatt in the back row.) Eighth through tenth in that row I have Everett Booe, Harry Gardner (?), and Ona Dodd (?), followed by the player in the dark cap with white piping. (Names followed by question marks are the ones I'm less confident about.)

In the top row, left to right, I have Lefty Kellogg (?), Howie Camnitz (with his hat cocked to his left), Hank Robinson, Mickey Keliher, unidentified, Hal Grover, Bill McKechnie, unidentified, Cliff Averett, Ray Haley, Ray Jansen, Billy Kelly, Rebel Keen (?), George Gibson, Ham Hyatt, and Al Wagner.

I think that it is also Al (Butts) Wagner as the coach in the 1913 spring training photo we had been discussing.
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