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Originally Posted by RUKen
Wilbur Cooper was a holdout in spring training. My IDs are based on the assumption that the photo was taken before he arrived, and are as follows:
Top Row (L-R): Moses Yellowhorse, Earl Hamilton, Babe Adams, Karl Eberhard, unknown (Bill Lengquist or George Tice), Drew Rader, Elmer Ponder.
Bottom Row (L-R): Frank Herbst, John Hollingsworth, Johnny Morrison, Whitney Glazner, unknown (Bill Lengquist or George Tice), Hal Carlson, Leo Mangum, Jimmy Zinn.
The uniforms are definitely 1921-style. The 1922 uniforms had "old English" P's. I do not know when teams started wearing their uniforms for the upcoming season in spring training, so this could actually be a 1922 image. In that case, the pitchers in spring training were Adams, Cooper, Glazner, Hamilton, Hollingsworth, (John) Morrison, Yellowhorse, Zinn, and also Lyle Bigbee, Fred Blake, Hal Carlson, Phil Morrison, Edwin Schultze, Vern Ulrigg, Rip Wheeler, and Earl Whitehill.
I've attached below two newspaper images of Drew Rader:
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Thank you for the analysis and the images of the Minor League players who attended Spring Training in 1921.
Yes, the presence of the new 1921 regular season uniforms would suggest a strong possibility that the image could well be from 1922. Many of the pitchers were again in attendance in 1922. The significant absentee from 1921 would be Elmer Ponder but the image of the player top right does appear to be a very good match for Ponder, the match for Eberhard in the position you place also seems very strong. These two identifications persuade me to stick with a 1921 date for the moment.
Cooper, Yellowhorse, Glazner, Adams, Carlson, Hamilton, J. Morrison, Hollingsworth, Zinn all were in camp in both 21 and 22. Wilbur Cooper did return and pitched for the Pirates certainly on 1st April 1921 and could have been back even earlier so could be present in a 1921 image. In addition to the new names you mention in respect of 1922 there is also a possibility that Jesse Martin listed at 5'10.5 and 160 could have been present. I did read a report that although Bigbee was in consideration he did not attend 1922 Spring Training as he was based in the West, and subsequently was released to sign for a club in that part of the country.
Agreed that P. Morrison, Wheeler, Bigbee and Hughes need to be removed if the image is from 1921 Spring Training.