OOTP Developments Forums - View Single Post - With regards to the 'starting out of position' issue, here are some hard numbers

uruguru · 07-13-2024, 06:48 PM

ok, good news! I re-ran the 1962-68 sim with fielding ratings set to "Entire Career". As a result, only 488 games were started with players out of position, as opposed to 1846 games when using 3 year averages. That's a 74% reduction from one simple change.

(settings: fielding is career, 5-year recalc, rookies enter as FA, trading is average, no TCR)

Even better, 440 of those 488 "bad" starts came from just two players. Donn Clendenon started two full seasons at LF (282 g) and Ernie Banks started 158 games at SS.

Now if you think it's weird that Banks doesn't have a career rating at SS, join the club. There's a quirk in how career ratings are calculated and it treats Ernie as a 1B, so he becomes incapable of playing SS.

The problem with Clendenon is that he played 17 games at LF in 1962 so the sim front-loaded him with 200 fielding experience at that position. Even though he doesn't have career outfield ratings, that experience at LF was retained and allowed the AI to play him at LF... which it did for two seasons.

Otherwise, just having players with some playabilty at more positions (with the freakish exception of Banks) is the main reason this problem almost completely disappeared with career ratings.

Here are the bad starts I logged for this sim. You can see how quickly this problem becomes a non-issue if Banks and Clendenon are addressed.

1962: 31 GS
1B 4 Bob Cerv, NYY
1B 1 Jim Lemon, MIN
1B 6 Haywood Sullivan, KCA
3B 20 Chuck Hinton, WAS

1963: 141 GS
LF 141 Donn Clendenon, PIT

1964: 54 GS
SS 54 Ernie Banks, CHC

1965: 212 GS
2B 2 Chuck Harrison, BOS
SS 69 Ernie Banks, CHC
LF 141 Donn Clendenon, PIT

1966: 25 GS
SS 15 Ernie Banks, CHC
SS 10 Dalton Jones, PIT

1967: 21 GS
SS 20 Ernie Banks, CHC
CF 1 Len Gabrielson, KCA

1968: 4 GS
2B 1 Jim Beauchamp, SFG
2B 1 Jack Hiatt, NYM
3B 1 Skip Lockwood, LAD
3B 1 Manny Mota, PIT

07-13-2024, 06:48 PM	#5
uruguru All Star Starter Join Date: May 2022 Posts: 1,311	ok, good news! I re-ran the 1962-68 sim with fielding ratings set to "Entire Career". As a result, only 488 games were started with players out of position, as opposed to 1846 games when using 3 year averages. That's a 74% reduction from one simple change. (settings: fielding is career, 5-year recalc, rookies enter as FA, trading is average, no TCR) Even better, 440 of those 488 "bad" starts came from just two players. Donn Clendenon started two full seasons at LF (282 g) and Ernie Banks started 158 games at SS. Now if you think it's weird that Banks doesn't have a career rating at SS, join the club. There's a quirk in how career ratings are calculated and it treats Ernie as a 1B, so he becomes incapable of playing SS. The problem with Clendenon is that he played 17 games at LF in 1962 so the sim front-loaded him with 200 fielding experience at that position. Even though he doesn't have career outfield ratings, that experience at LF was retained and allowed the AI to play him at LF... which it did for two seasons. Otherwise, just having players with some playabilty at more positions (with the freakish exception of Banks) is the main reason this problem almost completely disappeared with career ratings. Here are the bad starts I logged for this sim. You can see how quickly this problem becomes a non-issue if Banks and Clendenon are addressed. 1962: 31 GS 1B 4 Bob Cerv, NYY 1B 1 Jim Lemon, MIN 1B 6 Haywood Sullivan, KCA 3B 20 Chuck Hinton, WAS 1963: 141 GS LF 141 Donn Clendenon, PIT 1964: 54 GS SS 54 Ernie Banks, CHC 1965: 212 GS 2B 2 Chuck Harrison, BOS SS 69 Ernie Banks, CHC LF 141 Donn Clendenon, PIT 1966: 25 GS SS 15 Ernie Banks, CHC SS 10 Dalton Jones, PIT 1967: 21 GS SS 20 Ernie Banks, CHC CF 1 Len Gabrielson, KCA 1968: 4 GS 2B 1 Jim Beauchamp, SFG 2B 1 Jack Hiatt, NYM 3B 1 Skip Lockwood, LAD 3B 1 Manny Mota, PIT Last edited by uruguru; 07-13-2024 at 06:56 PM.