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Garlon · 12-01-2024, 09:14 PM

Remember that GIDP is also a function of hitting with a runner on first base with less than 2 outs, so a player like Pujols is going to have a ton of those opportunities batting 3rd and 4th in his career. Whereas a player who bats leadoff will automatically have no opportunity to hit into a GIDP leading off the game, and therefore more than 20% of their PA automatically have no opportunity for a GIDP, and couple that with the low OBP of the 7-8-9 batters who hit in front of the leadoff hitter and those players really have substantially fewer opportunities.

You also need to consider the league average rate of GIDP too.

Pujols hit into a GIDP 14.7% of his opportunities to do so and the league average in his career was 10.7%. Per 162 games he would average 152 DP opportunities and have 22 GIDP, whereas the league average player would have hit into 16 given those same opportunities over 162 games.

So how much worse was Pujols than average? About 1 GIDP per month.

What if we do the same process for Rickey Henderson?

Henderson DP opportunities per 162 games: 95
Henderson GIDP per 162 games: 9
League Average GIDP based on same opportunities: 10

Think about that. Rickey Henderson saved 1 GIDP per 162 games compared to the league average batter, while Pujols hit into 6 more than the league average batter.

There is simply nothing very interesting here.

You may be hitting into a lot of GIDP because your team has a good OBP and is generating more opportunities. You could also just be having a tough stretch of games.

12-01-2024, 09:14 PM	#5
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,369	Remember that GIDP is also a function of hitting with a runner on first base with less than 2 outs, so a player like Pujols is going to have a ton of those opportunities batting 3rd and 4th in his career. Whereas a player who bats leadoff will automatically have no opportunity to hit into a GIDP leading off the game, and therefore more than 20% of their PA automatically have no opportunity for a GIDP, and couple that with the low OBP of the 7-8-9 batters who hit in front of the leadoff hitter and those players really have substantially fewer opportunities. You also need to consider the league average rate of GIDP too. Pujols hit into a GIDP 14.7% of his opportunities to do so and the league average in his career was 10.7%. Per 162 games he would average 152 DP opportunities and have 22 GIDP, whereas the league average player would have hit into 16 given those same opportunities over 162 games. So how much worse was Pujols than average? About 1 GIDP per month. What if we do the same process for Rickey Henderson? Henderson DP opportunities per 162 games: 95 Henderson GIDP per 162 games: 9 League Average GIDP based on same opportunities: 10 Think about that. Rickey Henderson saved 1 GIDP per 162 games compared to the league average batter, while Pujols hit into 6 more than the league average batter. There is simply nothing very interesting here. You may be hitting into a lot of GIDP because your team has a good OBP and is generating more opportunities. You could also just be having a tough stretch of games.