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Old 02-05-2025, 10:17 AM   #542
Makonnen
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{ Easier to read tables at https://wbl.dmlco.com/wp/2025/02/05/...-nl-all-stars/ }

For each section, if a player doesn't qualify for batting stats (roughly 270 PA), their G and PA are listed. Bold indicates a leader at that position for the stat; top 3 listed for most stats.

If you compare this with the prior post discussing the AL, the gap in offensive talent and pitching depth becomes apparent.

#C

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Josh Gibson (HOM)  1.234  390/481/754  27 2B; 23 HR; 79 RBI; 5.3 WAR  3.4 FRM  
 Gary Carter (OTT)  1.102  324/387/715  31 HR; 663 RBI; 3.9 WAR  48% RTO  
 Mike Piazza (BRK)  1.027  311/348/679  31 HR; 70 RBI; 2.9 WAR    
 Jim Pagliaroni (BBB)  .898  248/355/543      
 Buster Posey (NYG)  .894  291/344/550      
 Ted Simmons (KCM)  .880  285/314/565  25 2B  4.08 CERA
 FRM=Framing Runs | RTO%=Runners Thrown Out | CERA=Catcher ERA
The only question here is whether the NL dips below the big 3. 21 Year old Josh Gibson will start, of course, with Gary Carter and Mike Piazza in reserve.

#1B

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Will Clark (NYG)  .989  302/381/608  56 RBI; 1.8 WAR    
 Mike Epstein (HOM)  .971  252/386/585  22 HR; 63 RBI; 1.7 WAR  .998 Fldg  
 Anthony Rizzo (HOD)  .964  278/402/561      
 Joe Harris (HOD)  .956  295/410/546      
 Jeff Bagwell (HOU)  .938  279/376/562  71 RBI
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
The NL has a totally different challenge to the AL: here, it is whether any of the natural 1B really deserve to make the team. Will Clark will start, with Mike Epstein on the bench. Joe Harris split his time between 1B and the OF, and may be selected in that role.

#2B

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Joe Morgan (IND)  1.101  324/425/676  50 RBI; 2.2 WAR  52 G / 221 PA  
 Roberto Alomar (OTT)  .972  312/391/581  22 2B; 18 HR; 65 RBI; 31 SB; 3.3 WAR    
 Ryne Sandberg (HOD)  .964  303/356/608  28 HR; 60 RBI; 2.7 WAR  .997 Fldg; 5.04 RF  
 Jackie Robinson (BRK)  .897  270/357/540  17 HR    
 Craig Biggio (HOU)  .837  267/371/466 
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
Roberto Alomar and Ryne Sandberg are locks, with Alomar getting the nod as the starter. Beyond them, it gets interesting: Joe Morgan has been phenomenal, but missed a significant chunk of time while Jackie Robinson may deserve a spot, but has split his time between 2B and 1B. While Robinson is invaluable to Brooklyn, his offensive production is excellent for a 2B, but only solid for a 1B.

#SS

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Ernie Banks (HOD)  1.006  287/316/690  34 HR; 78 RBI; 1.7 WAR    
 Carlos Correa (HOU)  .931  322/396/535  20 2B; 13 HR; 40 RBI; 3.1 WAR  .981 Fldg; 4.2 ZR  
 Álex Rodríguez (OTT)  .899  260/322/577  25 HR; 45 RBI; 20 SB; 1.5 WAR  .974 Fldg
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
While some may suggest that Kansas City's Ozzie Smith deserves to be listed here due to his defensive prowess (he leads all SS in Fldg, RF, and ZR), it's a bit too much to imagine a sub-.700 OPS warranting an all star spot. Ernie Banks and Carlos Correa are in, with Álex Rodríguez on the bubble for a while.

#3B

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Albert Pujols (KCM)  1.003  314/381/622  32 2B; 60 RBI; 2.5 WAR    
 Ron Cey (BRK)  .978  278/375/602  22 HR; 2.6 WAR  .978 Fldg; 2.46 RF; 3.5 ZR  
 Eddie Mathews (BBB)  .917  222/345/572  27 HR; 56 RBI  2.76 RF  
 Scott Rolen (PHI)  .911  275/349/562  55 RBI; 2.1 WAR  .976 Fldg; 2.6 ZR
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
Albert Pujols is named the starter here (although he may end up shifting over to 1B in the game itself), with Ron Cey behind him. Eddie Mathews' best hope of making the cut is if he ends up being the leading candidate for Birmingham, but my guess is they find representation on the pitching staff first.

#LF/RF

As with the AL, we'll treat the corner OF's together.

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Larry Walker (OTT)  1.080  292/364/715  37 HR; 877 RBI; 2.5 WAR  3.97 RF  
 Rick Reichardt (HOM)  1.044  314/387/657      
 Tony Gwynn (HOU)  1.030  390/429/601  27 2B; 6 3B; 3.1 WAR  5 Kills  
 Aaron Judge (PHI)  .972  272/368/604    .993 Fldg  
 Stan Musial (KCM)  .964  329/392/573  37 2B; 2.2 WAR  5.7 ZR  
 Joe Rogan (PHI)  .958  296/341/617      
 Johnny Callison (NYG)  .913  272/333/580    .993 Fldg
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
Certainly Larry Walker, Rick Reichardt, and Tony Gwynn make it, with Gwynn and Walker earning the starting nods. It seems like Aaron Judge and Stan Musial should make the cut as well, and Rogan gets a roster spot for his combined effort on the mound and at the plate.

#CF

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  Other  
 Rick Monday (OTT)  1.207  305/397/809    46 G / 151 PA  
 Oscar Charleston (IND)  1.006  335/384/622  19 2B; 9 3B; 63 RBI; 25 SB; 2.7 WAR    
 Willie Mays (NYG)  .974  277/347/627  31 HR; 62 RBI; 3.1 WAR  8.5 ZR  
 Carlos Beltrán (OTT)  .860  253/326/534  63 RBI
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
Rick Monday can't be a serious candidate, given his playing time, but wow are those numbers eye-popping.

Oscar Charleston gets the start at age 20, with Willie Mays also being named to the team. Carlos Beltrán is listed partially to show the gap between Mays and the next group of CFers. Rogan could also have been listed here.

#DH

Code:
 Name  OPS  Slash  Reg Stats  
 Willie Stargell (HOM)  .954  270/348/606  14 2B; 27 HR; 60 RBI; 1.2 WAR  
 Albert Belle (BBB)  .884  256/313/571  15 2B; 26 HR; 59 RBI  
 Benny Kauff (NYG)  .869  261/315/553  19 2B  
 Duke Snider (BRK)  .771  226/262/509  25 HR; 54 RBI
 Fldg=Fielding % | RF=Range Factor | ZR=Zone Rating
Willie Stargell will start, but it's not clear any of the rest of these make it: Mathews is a better selection for Birmingham if one is needed, and Benny Kauff and Duke Snider--while doing well--just aren't quite all star material this year.

#SP

Now things get a lot tighter in the NL. Here is everyone with a sub 4.00 ERA and/or 10 or more wins, plus a few others.

Code:
 Name  W-L; ERA  Reg Stats  Other  
 A. Rube Foster (KCM)  5-1, 2.20  .202 BABIP, 0.96 WHIP, 3.67 FIP  88% QS, 2 SHO  
 Toad Ramsey (HOU)  12-4, 2.60  163 K, 0.90 WHIP, 2.68 FIP, 5.8 WAR  72% QS, 2 SHO, 2.29 SIERA, 2.0 WPA  
 Fernando Valenzuela (BRK)  6-1, 2.66  0.87 WHIP; .176 BABIP  3 GS / 74 IP  
 Hardie Henderson (PHI)  10-6, 3.05  .214 BABIP  1.5 WPA  
 Jim Whitney  5-2, 3.11  1 Sv; 2 H, 1.02 WHIP  75% QS, 2.0 WPA  
 Roger Clemens (HOU)  10-4, 3.64  .210 BABIP    
 Smokey Joe Williams (BRK)  7-8, 3.64  3.4 WAR    
 Orel Hershiser (BRK)  11-4, 3.70      
 Luis Padrón (IND)  12-2, 3.87  3.44 FIP, 3.8 WAR  2 SHO  
 Smokey Joe Wood (KCM)  9-6, 3.95      
 J.M. Ward (PHI)  4-4, 3.99      
 Frank Castillo (KCM)  10-1, 4.43    2 SHO  
 Bullet Joe Rogan (PHI)  5-8, 4.46    2 SHO
 FIP=Fielding Independent Pitching | BABIP=BA Allowed on Balls In Play | QS=Quality Starts | SHO=Shutouts | SIERA=Skill Interactive ERA | WPA=Win Probability Added
Toad Ramsey is the starter, with Luis Padrón and A. Rube Foster close behind. Hardie Henderson seems to be another required choice, with his ERA barely eclipsing 3.00.

After that choices, have to be made: Jim Whitney has been brilliant, but just barely qualifies for the ERA title. Fernando Valenzuela has been even better, but was used out of the bullpen for most of the season. And how do you ignore a starting pitcher with a 10-1 record? I don't think you can, so we'll add Valenzuela and Castillo, snubbing Brooklyn's very strong duo of Orel Hershiser and Smokey Joe Williams.

#RP

Code:
 Name  W-L; ERA  Reg Stats  Other  
 Harley Young (BBB)  0-1, 1.12  3 Sv; 6 H  1.87 FIP  
 Craig Kimbrel (KCM)  2-3, 1.85  2 Sv; 11 H  2.38 FIP; 15 SD; 2.88 SIERA  
 Robb Nen (NYG)  3-2, 1.89  9 Sv; 6 H    
 Tug McGraw (HOU)  3-3, 2.05  9 Sv  .90 Sv%  
 Eddie Guardado (KCM)  2-1, 2.05  1 Sv; 5 H  2.58 FIP  
 Lee Smith (HOD)  4-1, 2.65  6 Sv; 6 H  .198 BABIP; 0.771 WHIP; .86 Sv%; 2.89 SIERA  
 Eric Gagne (BRK)  2-1, 2.81  19 Sv  18 SD  
 Josh Lindblom (HOM)  4-2, 3.19  23 Sv  .96 Sv%; 18 SD  
 Ted Kennedy (PHI)  2-2, 3.47  4 Sv; 9 H    
 Rob Murphy (IND)  1-3, 3.55  1 Sv; 11 H    
 Michael Jackson (HOM)  1-4, 3.73  1 Sv; 12 H    
 Bob Howry (PHI)  3-1, 4.09  12 Sv  .172 BABIP; 0.82 WHIP 
 FIP=Fielding Independent Pitching | BABPI=BA Allowed on Balls In Play | SD=Shutdowns | SIERA=Skill Interactive ERA | Sv%=Save %
More hard choices. Harley Young and Craig Kimbrel have been essentially unhittable and Eric Gagne and Josh Lindblom have been the most effective closers. So those 4 for sure. Robb Nen has done everything the Gothams have asked, covering as closer while Brian Wilson was injured, and continuing to dominate after Wilson's return (Wilson only misses the team through a lack of IP after his injury).

The real omission here seems to be Lee Smith, who has stepped into the closers role for the House of David with aplomb, reflected in his overall statistical performance.

#NL All Stars

It came down to Scott Rolen, Buster Posey, Smokey Joe Williams, and Jim Whitney for the NL's final spot. We decided to honor their dominant pitching as a league, removing Rolen and Posey from consideration.

Williams has only pitched roughly a dozen innings more than Whitney, who has better numbers across the board. That leaves Smokey Joe on the outside looking in this year.

As with the AL, here are the highest ranked performers in various categories who missed the cut.

Hank Aaron (BBB). #4 in H (96); #6 in HR (29); #16 in SLG (.588).
Joe Harris (HOD). #13 in BA (.295); #3 in OBP (.410); #18 in OPS (.956).
Jeff Bagwell (HOU). #4 in RBI (71).
Buster Posey (NYG). #13 in WAR (2.2).
Nap Lajoie (HOM). #3 in 2B (28).
Pete Hill (HOU). #1 in 3B (10).
Tim Raines (OTT). #1 in SB (59).

Orel Hershiser (BRK). #3 in W (11).
Christy Mathewson (NYG). #2 in IP (128); #2 in K (124).
Smokey Joe Williams (BRK). #3 in WAR (3.4); #4 in FIP (3.73).
Roger Clemens (HOU). #5 in ERA (3.64).
J.M. Ward (PHI). #4 in WHIP (1.02).
Rob Dibble (IND) and Jeff Pfeffer (KCM) are tied for #3 in Saves with 16, but neither have an ERA under 5.00.
The offensive players look fine. Mathewson and especially Smokey Joe have a right to feel aggrieved about this one.

Starters in bold.

C: Gary Carter (OTT), Josh Gibson (HOM); Mike Piazza (BRK).
1B: Will Clark (NYG), Mike Epstein (HOM).
2B: Roberto Alomar (OTT), Ryne Sandberg (HOD).
SS: Ernie Banks (HOD), Carlos Correa (HOU).
3B: Ron Cey (BRK), Albert Pujols (KCM).
LF: Tony Gwynn (HOU); Rick Reichardt (HOM).
CF: Oscar Charleston (IND), Joe Rogan (PHI), Willie Mays (NYG).
RF: Aaron Judge (PHI), Stan Musial (KCM), Larry Walker (OTT).
DH: Willie Stargell (HOM).
SP: Frank Castillo (KCM), A. Rube Foster (KCM), Hardie Henderson (PHI), Luis Padrón (IND), Toad Ramsey (HOU), Fernando Valenzuela (BRK), Jim Whitney (BBB).
RP: Eric Gagne (BRK), Craig Kimbrel (KCM), Josh Lindblom (HOM), Robb Nen (NYG), Harley Young (BBB).

Selections are more consistently spread across the NL, with Homestead and Kansas City leading the way with 5 players each. All teams saw at least 2 players selected for the midsummer classic.

Brooklyn, with the best record in the league, may feel a bit hard done by, as both Smokey Joe Williams and Jackie Robinson are left off the squad. Indianapolis has a similar argument, with only 2 representatives despite being only a game out of 1st with a record over .500, but the omission of Joe Morgan due to playing time is more understandable.

Here they are by team:

Homestead Grays (.535). Mike Epstein (1B), Josh Gibson (C), Josh Lindblom (P), Rick Reichardt (OF), Willie Stargell (DH).
Kansas City Monarchs (.534). Frank Castillo (P), A. Rube Foster (P), Craig Kimbrel (P), Stan Musial (OF), Albert Pujols (3B).
Brooklyn Royal Giants (.575). Ron Cey (3B), Eric Gagne (P), Mike Piazza (C), Fernando Valenzuela (P).
New York Gothams (.494). Will Clark (1B), Willie Mays (OF), Robb Nen (P).
Houston Colt 45's (.494). Carlos Correa (SS), Tony Gwynn (OF), Toad Ramsey (P).
Philadelphia Stars (.483). Hardie Henderson (P), Aaron Judge (OF), Joe Rogan (U/P).
Ottawa Mounties (.460). Roberto Alomar (2B), Álex Rodríguez (SS), Larry Walker (OF).
Indianapolis ABC's (.523). Oscar Charleston (OF), Luis Padrón (P).
Wandering House of David (.471). Ernie Banks (SS), Lee Smith (P).
Birmingham Black Barons (.432). Harley Young (P), Jim Whitney (P).

The NL sees only 4 repeat all-stars: Mike Epstein, Josh Gibson, Willie Mays, and Stan Musial
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