HOF Monitor issues

Hal_10000 · 03-31-2015, 09:57 PM

I've just been playing around today with the new features. While I am pleased to see the HOF monitor appear in the player pages, I was puzzled why I was getting such discrepant values from my own file crunching program as well as the B-R pages for the MLB league. After some investigation, I think I've identified two issues. I would appreciate someone else confirming my math on this. I don't *think* this is an issue for a bug report since it's mainly a difference in how stats are calculated, not an error, per se. But let me know if I should put this in the tech support forum.

1) In the HOF monitor, the system rewards pitchers for post-season starts: 2 points for each WS start, 1 point for each relief appearance, and 2 for a win. 1 point for each LCS or LDS win. Because OOTP only retains broad post-season stats, it appears to assume that any post-season win or start is a WS win or start and give out two points. If I'm correct about this, it massively inflates the HOF monitor scores of pitchers who make the post-season a lot (John Smoltz, for example, sees his monitor score soar from 162 (B-R) to 214 (OOTP)).

There's no real fix for this but in my code, I lowered the post-season bonuses to half a point for any post-season start, a quarter of a point for a relief appearance and a half a point for a win. It's not perfect but it restores some balance, I think.

(Of course, OOTP may now track more diverse post-season stats, so this would only be an issue for historic stats.)

2) The monitor also appears to have one slight disagreement on hitters. I have a career 3B who has played 2000 games and the system appears to give him the appropriate 15 point bonus. However, he has not played 2000 games at third base; he spent a lot of time at LF and 1B, as the fielding games stats clearly show.

Anyway, two little things that appear to be a problem. Would like to see these show up in the sortable tables at some point.

khucke · 04-01-2015, 01:04 AM

I also suspected some of the HOF Monitor numbers were inflated. Thanks for tracking down the causes. I hope at least some of them can se addressd. It certainly would be worthwhile to post this in the bug thread.

Matt Arnold · 04-01-2015, 03:36 AM

You are correct that we don't have different stats for the different rounds. I think I was giving 2 points per start, 1 per relief appearance, and 1 per win for any playoff round games. I'll drop that down to simply 1 per start, 1 per relief, and 1 per win as that should bring it down more in line.

As for the second point, I do actually check for the 2000 games at 3B. The reason you might see the numbers be different from bb-ref is more likely a variety of other reasons, just the way that we store some stats, or calculate others, or even simple rounding. I also did have to adjust some of the calculations in order to make things scale properly for those playing in short season leagues, so that can have an effect. For example, while it may give points for 2000 games, rounding might allow us to give him credit if he played maybe 1993 games or more, for whatever reason.

I tried to get it as close as possible, but it won't line up exactly.

Hal_10000 · 04-01-2015, 09:24 AM

Thanks! I do think you might want to consider going half a point for relief appearances and/or starts since the James system only gives out points for those when it's the WS. But this will certainly help with that. Love seeing those stats, though!

03-31-2015, 09:57 PM	#1
Hal_10000 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	HOF Monitor issues I've just been playing around today with the new features. While I am pleased to see the HOF monitor appear in the player pages, I was puzzled why I was getting such discrepant values from my own file crunching program as well as the B-R pages for the MLB league. After some investigation, I think I've identified two issues. I would appreciate someone else confirming my math on this. I don't think this is an issue for a bug report since it's mainly a difference in how stats are calculated, not an error, per se. But let me know if I should put this in the tech support forum. 1) In the HOF monitor, the system rewards pitchers for post-season starts: 2 points for each WS start, 1 point for each relief appearance, and 2 for a win. 1 point for each LCS or LDS win. Because OOTP only retains broad post-season stats, it appears to assume that any post-season win or start is a WS win or start and give out two points. If I'm correct about this, it massively inflates the HOF monitor scores of pitchers who make the post-season a lot (John Smoltz, for example, sees his monitor score soar from 162 (B-R) to 214 (OOTP)). There's no real fix for this but in my code, I lowered the post-season bonuses to half a point for any post-season start, a quarter of a point for a relief appearance and a half a point for a win. It's not perfect but it restores some balance, I think. (Of course, OOTP may now track more diverse post-season stats, so this would only be an issue for historic stats.) 2) The monitor also appears to have one slight disagreement on hitters. I have a career 3B who has played 2000 games and the system appears to give him the appropriate 15 point bonus. However, he has not played 2000 games at third base; he spent a lot of time at LF and 1B, as the fielding games stats clearly show. Anyway, two little things that appear to be a problem. Would like to see these show up in the sortable tables at some point. Last edited by Hal_10000; 03-31-2015 at 09:58 PM.

04-01-2015, 01:04 AM	#2
khucke All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany Posts: 650	I also suspected some of the HOF Monitor numbers were inflated. Thanks for tracking down the causes. I hope at least some of them can se addressd. It certainly would be worthwhile to post this in the bug thread. Last edited by khucke; 04-01-2015 at 01:20 AM.

04-01-2015, 03:36 AM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,745	You are correct that we don't have different stats for the different rounds. I think I was giving 2 points per start, 1 per relief appearance, and 1 per win for any playoff round games. I'll drop that down to simply 1 per start, 1 per relief, and 1 per win as that should bring it down more in line. As for the second point, I do actually check for the 2000 games at 3B. The reason you might see the numbers be different from bb-ref is more likely a variety of other reasons, just the way that we store some stats, or calculate others, or even simple rounding. I also did have to adjust some of the calculations in order to make things scale properly for those playing in short season leagues, so that can have an effect. For example, while it may give points for 2000 games, rounding might allow us to give him credit if he played maybe 1993 games or more, for whatever reason. I tried to get it as close as possible, but it won't line up exactly.

04-01-2015, 09:24 AM	#4
Hal_10000 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	Thanks! I do think you might want to consider going half a point for relief appearances and/or starts since the James system only gives out points for those when it's the WS. But this will certainly help with that. Love seeing those stats, though!