Wow talk about a change from one year to the next!

Peregrine · 06-30-2021, 07:30 PM

This player Bob Syverson has averaged a 4 WAR overall and had a great year in 96....then 97 hit like some kind of outer space train wreck. Going to be really interested to see if he bounces back or not.

rudel.dietrich · 06-30-2021, 08:16 PM

This happens more often to high contact singles hitters than any other type of player.
You get one season of bad dice rolls and a low BABIP and since you don't walk much nor hit for power, your value falls off a cliff.

EDIT: Although that massive increase in SOs is interesting. Did they rise league-wide, or did he just have a horrific year of dice rolls?

Peregrine · 06-30-2021, 08:23 PM

Overall strikeouts were very similar league-wide from one year to the next. Also in further update, he bounced back to a 4.4 WAR season (with some time lost to injury) the next year, and his strikeouts went back to just where they were in '96.

rudel.dietrich · 06-30-2021, 09:16 PM

Bad years do happen, just like in real life

But I do notice they happen more often with his player type who can only do one thing. Get singles
But he can fall back a bit on being a great SS and good base runner. But when the balls finds the fielders gloves more often then their value goes down a lot.

Sweed · 07-01-2021, 09:48 AM

My first thought too was BABIP. BABIP is just one of the stats I add to my "card views" to help me understand how a player is actually doing.

I will say I didn't even notice the K rate at first. That is an interesting one when, as you noted, the league wide K's hadn't changed much.

06-30-2021, 07:30 PM	#1
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06-30-2021, 08:16 PM	#2
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	This happens more often to high contact singles hitters than any other type of player. You get one season of bad dice rolls and a low BABIP and since you don't walk much nor hit for power, your value falls off a cliff. EDIT: Although that massive increase in SOs is interesting. Did they rise league-wide, or did he just have a horrific year of dice rolls? Last edited by rudel.dietrich; 06-30-2021 at 08:18 PM.

06-30-2021, 08:23 PM	#3
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Overall strikeouts were very similar league-wide from one year to the next. Also in further update, he bounced back to a 4.4 WAR season (with some time lost to injury) the next year, and his strikeouts went back to just where they were in '96. __________________ The only thing I know about [baseball] strategy is that everything the manager does is crap. Unless it works, in which case he's a button pusher. --Moe Szyslak, the Simpsons

06-30-2021, 09:16 PM	#4
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Bad years do happen, just like in real life But I do notice they happen more often with his player type who can only do one thing. Get singles But he can fall back a bit on being a great SS and good base runner. But when the balls finds the fielders gloves more often then their value goes down a lot.

07-01-2021, 09:48 AM	#5
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,535	My first thought too was BABIP. BABIP is just one of the stats I add to my "card views" to help me understand how a player is actually doing. I will say I didn't even notice the K rate at first. That is an interesting one when, as you noted, the league wide K's hadn't changed much.